Episode 4: Spirit-led Ministry & Structure-led Ministry w/ Jared Ellis & Banning Liebscher

Episode 5: How To Have Hard Conversations | The Both& Leader Jared Ellis

Jared Ellis discusses how to have hard conversations as a leader. Follow Jared Ellis on Instagram - @jaredcaellis

Episode 4: Spirit-led Ministry & Structure-led Ministry w/ Jared Ellis & Banning Liebscher

Jared Ellis discusses with Banning Liebscher (Lead Pastor at Jesus Culture) on spirit-led ministry and structure led ministry. Follow Jared Ellis on Instagram - @jaredcaellis

Episode 3: Race, Diversity & Unity w/ Jared Ellis and Jason Caine

Jared Ellis discusses with Jason Caine (campus pastor at Bayside Blue Oaks) on race, diversity and unity. Follow Jared Ellis on Instagram - @jaredcaellis

Episode 2: Leadership & Sanity - Maintaining Both w/ Jared Ellis and Dustin Bates

Jared Ellis discusses with Dustin Bates (lead pastor at Church Eleven 32) on the sustainability of leading at a high level. Follow Jared Ellis on Instagram - @jaredcaellis

Episode 1: What Is A Both& Leader - Pilot | The Both& Leader Podcast - EP 001

Jared Ellis kicks off The Both& Leader Podcast with a brief personal introduction and the vision behind the podcast. What is a "Both& Leader" and what will this journey look like?