The Charlene Gisele Show
What does it take to lead in one of the most high-pressure and male-dominated industries in the world without losing yourself in the process? In this conversation, Bronwyn Boyle, award-winning cybersecurity leader and CISO at PPRO, shares what she has learned from more than 20 years in cybersecurity, technology strategy, resilience, and cybercrime prevention. With leadership experience across global banks, regulatory bodies, start-ups, and Big4 consultancies, Bronwyn brings a rare perspective on what it means to lead under pressure while staying human. We explore the realities of being a woman in cybersecurity, the career lessons Bronwyn wishes she had known earlier, and why resilience in cyber cannot just be about systems, firewalls, and incident response, but must also include the psychological resilience of the people behind them. Bronwyn also shares how Cybermindz is helping cyber professionals better navigate stress, sleep disruption, burnout, and crisis response. This episode is about leadership, mental resilience, digital anxiety, switching off in an always-on world, and why the future of cybersecurity depends not only on stronger systems, but on healthier people. Chapters 00:00 Being a woman in a male-dominated industry 08:27 What Bronwyn would tell her younger self and women entering cyber 14:49 Why cybersecurity needs more women in leadership 17:57 Bronwyn’s path to the C-suite 20:12 Resilience, burnout, and learning before you hit the wall 22:54 The military-style resilience tools used in cyber 28:13 How Bronwyn leads junior talent through pressure and crisis 32:46 Sleep, digital anxiety, and the always-on problem in cyber 43:55 Why switching off is imperative for long-term success 50:32 Burnout, identity, and the trap of feeling irreplaceable 59:52 What organizations are doing better to support well-being 1:04:08 How Cybermindz supports cyber professionals 1:07:49 Why new talent should consider a career in cyber What We Cover * The realities of being a woman in cybersecurity * Why women should not wait for permission or a tap on the shoulder * How strong male mentors and sponsors can help accelerate a career * Why representation matters in cybersecurity and technology leadership * Bronwyn’s route into the CISO role * The link between cyber work, burnout, and psychological resilience * How Cybermindz brings military-informed resilience tools into cyber * The impact of sleep deprivation, digital anxiety, and constant vigilance * Why leaders need to create space for people to admit when they are not okay * The importance of switching off, recovery, and non-work activities * What organizations can do to better support resilience and retention * Why cybersecurity is an exciting and deeply meaningful career path Key Takeaways * Cybersecurity requires resilience not only in systems, but in people. * Women in male-dominated industries often need to take more agency in shaping their own path. * Diverse leadership leads to better decision-making and stronger outcomes. * Burnout often builds long before people realize they have hit the wall. * Short resilience practices can make a meaningful difference in high-pressure moments. * Sleep, recovery, and psychological safety are essential to sustained performance. * Digital anxiety is real and is becoming harder to ignore. * Leaders need to model healthier ways of working if they want teams to thrive. * No job is worth building a life around that leaves no room for perspective or recovery. * Cyber is a fascinating, fast-moving field with enormous opportunity for new talent. Guest Resources * Learn more about Cybermindz: https://cybermindz.org [https://cybermindz.org] * Get more info about the Hacking Games: https://www.thehackinggames.com [https://www.thehackinggames.com] Connect With Me 🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com [https://charlenegisele.com] 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele [https://instagram.com/charlenegisele] 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/charl%C3%A8ne-gis%C3%A8le-bourliout/] ✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out Newsletter: https://charlenegisele.com/newsletter/ [https://charlenegisele.com/newsletter/]
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