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332: Kathy Hodgson: When You're Not Ready, But You Lead Anyway

1 h 11 min · 14. maj 2026
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Kathy Hodgson: When You're Not Ready, But You Lead AnywayThe Reality of Growing Into the Role of City Manager *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "7f0aa905-d803-4481-9e44-c1a088a011df" data-testid= "conversation-turn-12" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Episode 332 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Tyler Technologies [https://tylertech.com/winter] What happens when you step into the biggest leadership role of your career…and realize you're not ready? In this episode, Kathy Hodgson—longtime City Manager of Lakewood, Colorado—shares the honest story of growing into leadership in real time. From starting as a teenage lifeguard to leading one of the largest cities in the state, her journey isn't built on a perfect plan; it's built on saying yes, learning fast, and leading through uncertainty. Kathy opens up about the overwhelming early days of city management, the imposter syndrome that comes with the role, and how she leaned on her team to find her footing. She reflects on the values that shaped her leadership—fairness, forgiveness, and treating people with dignity—and why those matter more than ever in today's environment. The conversation also explores how the job has changed. Issues like homelessness, incivility, and political polarization have reshaped what it means to lead at the local level, placing city managers at the center of some of the most complex challenges facing communities today. This episode is a reminder that leadership isn't about having all the answers. It's about being willing to step in, stay steady, and grow into the responsibility. Sponsored by: * Tyler Technologies – the nation's leading provider of software solutions designed specifically for the public sector and local government. Learn more at https://tylertech.com/winter [https://tylertech.com/winter] * The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a global community for local government leaders who want ongoing support, practical insights, and a trusted peer network to help them lead with clarity and conviction. Learn more at https://haltingwinter.com/MLDC [https://haltingwinter.com/mldc/] Connect with Seth Winterhalter * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter [https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter] * Website: https://www.HaltingWinter.com [https://www.haltingwinter.com/]

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