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Business Exit Strategy: Selling a Business & Entrepreneur Journey | Sarah Jane

48 min · 13. maj 2026
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Knowing your business exit strategy before you need one can be the difference between a life-changing sale and a costly mistake. Selling a business requires legal foundations most founders overlook — and that's exactly what corporate lawyer turned entrepreneur Sarah Jane breaks down in this episode of The Ownership Journey. From building Firing for Legal with 30 team members across four continents to advising on M&A deals worth up to £35 million, Sarah shares the entrepreneur journey lessons she learned the hard way — including why her first business collapsed after COVID, why 75–80% of her clients are female founders, and the critical legal documents every business partner needs from day one. Whether you're building, scaling, or preparing to sell, this conversation covers what most lawyers won't tell you about business exit strategy, mergers and acquisitions, founder dependency, deferred consideration traps, and how AI is transforming the legal profession. If you're an entrepreneur at any stage, this episode will change how you think about protecting what you've built. Key topics covered: * From magic circle lawyer to entrepreneur: Sarah's career pivot * Lessons from a first business that grew to 16 staff across two countries * How COVID exposed weak business foundations * Firing for Legal's flat-hierarchy, no-billable-targets model * Why 75–80% of their clients are female founders * The valuation expectation gap between men and women * M&A from the seller's perspective: what buyers look for in due diligence * M&A from the buyer's perspective: spotting red flags * Key man dependency and how it destroys business value * Deferred consideration and earn-out risks explained * AI in law: embracing technology while keeping the human in the loop * Shareholders agreements: why every co-founded business needs one * The multiple-hats problem in business partnerships Chapters: * (00:00) Introduction — Sarah's Background * (02:00) From Corporate Law to Entrepreneurship * (05:00) First Business: Lessons & COVID Impact * (08:00) Why Legal Foundations Help You Scale * (11:00) Firing for Legal: The Business Model * (16:00) Networking & Business Growth * (20:00) Female Founders & Funding Challenges * (24:00) Business Acquisitions & Exits (M&A) * (35:00) AI in Law: Embracing the Future * (39:00) Shareholders Agreements & Business Partnerships → Show: The Ownership Journey → Guest: Sarah Jane → Host: James Lamb → Editor: Taran (taran@ediflick.com [taran@ediflick.com]) Follow for weekly conversations with people who've built, bought, and sold real businesses.

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episode Business Exit Strategy: Selling a Business & Entrepreneur Journey | Sarah Jane artwork

Business Exit Strategy: Selling a Business & Entrepreneur Journey | Sarah Jane

Knowing your business exit strategy before you need one can be the difference between a life-changing sale and a costly mistake. Selling a business requires legal foundations most founders overlook — and that's exactly what corporate lawyer turned entrepreneur Sarah Jane breaks down in this episode of The Ownership Journey. From building Firing for Legal with 30 team members across four continents to advising on M&A deals worth up to £35 million, Sarah shares the entrepreneur journey lessons she learned the hard way — including why her first business collapsed after COVID, why 75–80% of her clients are female founders, and the critical legal documents every business partner needs from day one. Whether you're building, scaling, or preparing to sell, this conversation covers what most lawyers won't tell you about business exit strategy, mergers and acquisitions, founder dependency, deferred consideration traps, and how AI is transforming the legal profession. If you're an entrepreneur at any stage, this episode will change how you think about protecting what you've built. Key topics covered: * From magic circle lawyer to entrepreneur: Sarah's career pivot * Lessons from a first business that grew to 16 staff across two countries * How COVID exposed weak business foundations * Firing for Legal's flat-hierarchy, no-billable-targets model * Why 75–80% of their clients are female founders * The valuation expectation gap between men and women * M&A from the seller's perspective: what buyers look for in due diligence * M&A from the buyer's perspective: spotting red flags * Key man dependency and how it destroys business value * Deferred consideration and earn-out risks explained * AI in law: embracing technology while keeping the human in the loop * Shareholders agreements: why every co-founded business needs one * The multiple-hats problem in business partnerships Chapters: * (00:00) Introduction — Sarah's Background * (02:00) From Corporate Law to Entrepreneurship * (05:00) First Business: Lessons & COVID Impact * (08:00) Why Legal Foundations Help You Scale * (11:00) Firing for Legal: The Business Model * (16:00) Networking & Business Growth * (20:00) Female Founders & Funding Challenges * (24:00) Business Acquisitions & Exits (M&A) * (35:00) AI in Law: Embracing the Future * (39:00) Shareholders Agreements & Business Partnerships → Show: The Ownership Journey → Guest: Sarah Jane → Host: James Lamb → Editor: Taran (taran@ediflick.com [taran@ediflick.com]) Follow for weekly conversations with people who've built, bought, and sold real businesses.

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