0248 Lysis 221b

0252 Lysis 222c

More evidence at the end of the dialogue that the boys are unable to put two thoughts together to create a rational conclusion. They appear not to understand even what "the same" means, let alone what "the proper" means. They return to assumptioms already refuted in previous arguments. Socrates is far from making them dialectically drunk; they appear to be teetotallers. Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go. The resulting analyses may be found at: https://theplatoparadigm.com [https://theplatoparadigm.com/]

0251 Lysis 222c

Musings on a single sentence which may throw light on the entire dialogue. Socrates claims that they are, as it were, drunk by the logos. The need for the strange example earlier on of a dear son who has drunk hemlock being cured by a father with the aid of wine now makes sense If Socrates, the author of the logos, is the one applying alcohol to the problem, who is applying hemlock? I offer a few suggestions. Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go. The resulting analyses may be found at: https://theplatoparadigm.com [https://theplatoparadigm.com/]

0250 Lysis 222a

An incautious reader of the dialogue might conclude that the entire discussion between Socrates, Lysis, and Menexenus, is a demonstration for Hippothales' benefit, designed to prove that the one lusted should love the one lusting. Hippothales, at least, is reportedly delighted with the result. The boys are not so happy. As for Socrates, he does not reveal his utter frustration with the mental sluggishness of his various audiences. Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go. The resulting analyses may be found at: https://theplatoparadigm.com [https://theplatoparadigm.com/]

0249 Lysis 221e

Socrates finally reaches his sophistic conclusion, unsettling for Lysis, but Menexenus appears blissfully unaware of the implications. What is very clear is that the boys are oblivious to the sophistry itself. It would appear that Socrates' attempt to make the boys become critical, if not entirely dialectical, has failed. Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go. The resulting analyses may be found at: https://theplatoparadigm.com [https://theplatoparadigm.com/]

0248 Lysis 221b

Socrates uses the same terminology from three different arguments to mix and match and thoroughly confuse Menexenus into agreeing that the one who desires someone is that person's friend. Here I read through Platonic dialogues, translating and commenting on the Greek text as I go. The resulting analyses may be found at: https://theplatoparadigm.com [https://theplatoparadigm.com/]