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Sam Collier: Co-Creating with Other Species

48 min · 28. jan. 2026
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In this episode, we learn about Sam Collier's work in theatre as a playwright and director. In particular, we learn about her interdisciplinary, interspecies production, Canine Capture: a performance in which her dog, Auberon, is one of the authors. Through this discussion, we explore what it means to collaborate with other species, both in our personal lives and in the arts. We investigate the role of listening, shifting perspectives, and the arts in bringing empathy to our interactions. To learn more about Sam's amazing work, visit her website, samcollierplays.com [https://www.samcollierplays.com/] and Canine Capture at colorado.edu/atlas/canine-capture [https://www.colorado.edu/atlas/canine-capture]

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