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A wellbeing researcher once emailed her co-author about their sleep study. At 3am. His reply has stayed with me: “I can’t work on sleep with you if you don’t sleep.” That story came from my conversation with Charmi Patel, professor, associate dean, researcher, executive education leader, and Thrive mentor. But what I loved most about this conversation was not her titles. It was the way she introduced herself. Not by achievement.Not by role.Not by institution. She said she is “unapologetically becoming.” That phrase holds so much of the WanderWomen journey. Because for high-skilled immigrant women, becoming is rarely simple. You leave home.You enter rooms that were not built with someone like you in mind.You learn the rules while others seem to have inherited them.You build credibility before you are fully allowed ease.You overprepare.You outperform.You carry yourself with stamina because belonging is not offered cleanly. Charmi left India at 19 with no map, no mentor, no sponsor, and a deep instinct that there was a larger world waiting for her. What followed was not only ambition. It was stamina. She spoke about entering academia without understanding its hidden codes: publishing, journals, rankings, pedigree, institutional power, and all the invisible rules that decide who is seen as credible. That part matters. Because so much of what we call resilience in immigrant women is actually unrecognised labour. The labour of decoding systems.The labour of proving legitimacy.The labour of preparing twice as much because your presence is still being assessed.The labour of making excellence look effortless. And then, somewhere along the way, achievement starts to become noisy. Titles. Promotions. Awards. Invitations. Compliments. LinkedIn requests. Public recognition. From the outside, everything looks like success. But inside, something quieter may be happening. Charmi said: “Achievement can feel very noisy from the outside and very quiet on the inside.” That line stopped me. Because I know so many women who will understand it immediately. Women whose lives look impressive from the outside.Women who have built careers, reputations, families, businesses, networks, and new identities across borders.Women who are admired for their competence, but privately wonder: Am I still becoming?Am I on the right path?Have I outgrown the version of success I worked so hard to reach?Why do I still feel unfinished? This is not always imposter syndrome. Sometimes it is the soul asking for a different kind of success. Sometimes it is the body saying what the CV cannot. Charmi said something else that stayed with me: “The body knows when success is becoming too expensive.” That is the part many ambitious women ignore for too long. We can understand wellbeing intellectually before we practise it personally.We can research burnout while living it.We can speak about dignity while denying ourselves rest.We can teach leadership while quietly abandoning ourselves to remain credible. And the body keeps the score anyway. It knows when overpreparation has turned into self-erasure.It knows when networking has become depletion.It knows when ambition has stopped being life-giving.It knows when the next goalpost is no longer growth, but avoidance. What I appreciated in Charmi’s honesty is that she did not reduce wellbeing to bubble baths or vague self-care. She spoke about wellbeing as sustainability. The ability to do meaningful work without abandoning yourself to do it. That distinction feels essential. Especially for women who were taught that gratitude means accepting less.That hard work should speak for itself.That visibility is somehow arrogance.That keeping your head down is the respectable path. Charmi was very clear on that too. The advice she now rejects? “Keep your head down and let the work speak for itself.” Because the work does not always speak in systems that are not designed to hear everyone equally. You need voice.You need visibility.You need sponsors.You need strategy.You need the courage to name your contribution. This is one of the central tensions of the high-achieving immigrant woman’s life. You are told to be excellent, but not too visible.Grateful, but not too demanding.Adaptable, but not too different.Ambitious, but not too much.Successful, but still easy to contain. And then comes the work of unlearning. When I asked Charmi what she knows now about building a life on her own terms that she could not have known ten years ago, she said it is more about unlearning than planning. Unlearning the need to plan every breakthrough.Unlearning endless pleasing.Unlearning the belief that gratitude means accepting less.Unlearning the idea that success must look impressive from the outside to be meaningful on the inside. That is where becoming begins. Not in the next achievement. But in the courage to outgrow versions of ourselves we worked very hard to become. This conversation also reminded me why I am so committed to creating spaces where accomplished women can pause together. Not to network.Not to perform.Not to prove that they are competent. But to be witnessed without armour. Charmi said transformation needs interruption. Not a holiday.Not escape.Not a collapse. A real pause. A different kind of learning environment where women can ask questions they may not ask in boardrooms, classrooms, leadership programmes, or at home. What am I carrying that is no longer mine?What version of success am I ready to outgrow?Where have I confused stamina with sustainability?What am I becoming now? That is the deeper invitation of this episode. To stop measuring your life only by what it produces. To listen to the quieter data. The body.The longing.The exhaustion.The aliveness that returns in the right circle.The truth you already know, but have not yet given yourself permission to honour. Because success can also mean letting go of the versions of yourself you worked so hard to become. And sometimes, that is not failure. It is freedom. Listen to the full episode with Charmi Patel on the WanderWomen podcast. Get full access to Shivangi Walke at theshivangiwalke.substack.com/subscribe [https://theshivangiwalke.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]
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