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Jesse M. Keenan [https://www.keenanclimate.com/] is the Favrot II Associate Professor of Sustainable Real Estate and Urban Planning at the School of Architecture and the Built Environment at Tulane University. In his upcoming book North: The Future of Post-Climate America [https://global.oup.com/academic/product/north-9780197641613?lang=en&cc=us], he outlines the complexities of America’s handling of climate change and its effects on not only migration, mitigation, and real estate, but also our institutions and societal fabric. Simultaneous conclusions: There are no climate havens, but adapt we will. Join us for the fascinating Unfrozen interview. -- Intro/Outro: “System Error,” by The Cooper Vane -- Discussed: San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank report [https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/working-papers/2024/07/snow-belt-to-sun-belt-migration-end-of-an-era/] on reversal of the migration to the Sun Belt “What Climate Change Will Do to America by Mid-Century [https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2025/12/trump-climate-change-acceleration/684632/]” - The Atlantic Climate gentrification: from theory to empiricism in Miami-Dade County, Florida [https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aabb32] Sean Becketti, Freddie Mac, April 2016: Will Markets Absorb Climate Change [https://www.housingwire.com/articles/36891-freddie-mac-climate-change-threatens-the-future-of-housing/]? A Climate Minsky Moment [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsky_moment]? Mitigation vs adaptation vs resilience Rachel Minnery’s [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-minnery-faia/] efforts at the AIA [https://www.architectmagazine.com/technology/the-next-files-rachel-minnery_o] to include climate adaptation as part of architects’ standards and duty of care “Climate-proof Duluth” in the New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/climate/climate-migration-duluth.html] There were never any climate havens [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/26/there-are-no-climate-havens]: The Guardian The lesson of Asheville: The flooding was the beginning of its role as a “receiving zone,” not the end “Climate havens” = media clickbait Marketing of Buffalo as a “climate haven” by Mayor Byron R. Brown [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240628-us-climate-havens-cities-claim-extreme-weather-protection] Alan Mallach’s Unfrozen take [https://unfrozenarch.net/episodes/smaller-cities-in-a-shrinking-world-941] on reviving legacy cities “This is about growth management and urban planning 101 at the regional and local level” For many “climate havens” rhetoric is not about recruiting new residents; climate mobility is a rhetorical arm for the existing residents for core sustainability development. “The Midwest will ultimately grow for the exact same reason the Sun Belt grew” Storming the Wall [https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Security/dp/0872867153] by Todd Miller The Climate Credit Score Hurricane Pass, Pinellas County, Florida [https://mapcarta.com/20664572] “Sodom & Gorlando” Climate intelligence arms race, e.g., AlphaGeo [https://alphageo.ai/] Spencer Glendon [https://probablefutures.org/about/team/spencer-glendon/] – “The money is slow and dumb”
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