Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll

Why 9 European Banks Are Launching Their Own Stablecoin

… and what it means for the future of payments in the European Union In this episode of BFRR – Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock ’n’ Roll, host Jonas Groß welcomes Floris Lugt and Jan Lebbe, Co-Heads Digital Assets at ING Wholesale Banking and representatives of a new euro stablecoin initiative formed by nine major European banks. The conversation traces ING’s blockchain journey from 2016 experimentation to today’s focused digital asset strategy. Floris explains how early work in trade finance, collateral and payments consortia revealed a clear gap: while assets are moving on-chain, a trusted, interoperable euro cash leg is still missing. That realization, combined with rising client demand, led to the idea of a joint bank-issued stablecoin, rather than each bank building its own siloed solution. Jonas, Floris and Jan discuss why, despite the crowded market, they believe there is room—and a need—for another euro stablecoin: not as a speculative asset, but as regulated payment infrastructure backed by established banks, their compliance frameworks and massive client networks. They outline their vision of a neutral e-money institution based in the Netherlands, supervised by the Dutch central bank, focused solely on issuing the stablecoin, while banks and regulated providers build client-facing products and use cases on top. Use cases range from crypto trading and DeFi liquidity to cross-border payments, treasury, settlement of tokenized securities and real-world assets, and programmable payments. The trio also explore the coexistence of stablecoins, tokenized deposits and CBDCs, and the ongoing debate between permissioned and permissionless blockchains, including the role of privacy and zero-knowledge technology. Looking ahead to 2030, Floris and Jan expect stablecoins to be a mainstream yet almost invisible layer of financial infrastructure—quietly enabling new forms of value transfer while existing payment rails like SEPA continue to thrive alongside them. LinkedIn Jan Lebbe [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-lebbe-080235/] LinkedIn Floris Lugt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/floris-lugt-279b4a/] Press release on the joint stablecoin project [https://www.ing.com/Newsroom/News/Nine-major-European-banks-join-forces-to-issue-stablecoin.htm] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website [https://www.bfrr.de/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel [https://t.me/+jA3nMkERPtc5YjQ0] ---------------------------------------- Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here [https://relai.ch/rock/]. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll. Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here [https://fountain.fm/show/wNv0vSPWzu8Gh7bZTorB] Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here [https://www.bfrr.de/disclaimer/] ---------------------------------------- All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!

The Architecture of Stablecoin Issuers with Galaxy’s Thomas Cowan

A four-layer architecture for stablecoin businesses to survive institutional scrutiny. In this episode of Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock’n’Roll, we take you inside the organizational blueprint of the world’s most influential stablecoin issuers. Co-host Michael Blaschke is joined by Thomas Cowan, Head of Tokenization at Galaxy Digital, whose background spans Paxos, PayPal’s stablecoin infrastructure, and CBDC projects at Ripple and the Boston Fed. Together, they dissect how stablecoin businesses are truly built — far beyond the blockchain layer. While markets obsess over market cap rankings and regulatory headlines, this conversation goes deeper: What distinguishes a financial enterprise from a mere tech project in the stablecoin world? How do business models, applications, data architectures, and technology stacks interact to create institutional-grade resilience? Why does trust, not code alone, determine which stablecoin becomes “the on-chain dollar” the world actually uses? Thomas and Michael map out a four-layer framework — from business model to infrastructure — showing how design choices cascade through every layer of a stablecoin issuer. They explore the new competitive landscape shaped by MiCA, the Genius Act, and institutional demand, and they outline three emerging archetypes: white-label platforms, payment rails, and on-chain shadow banks. If you want to understand how the next generation of digital money infrastructure will be architected, operated, and trusted, this episode is a must-listen. 👉 Listen now and explore detailed show notes at bfrr.com Shownotes Thomas Cowan on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-c-cowan/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website [https://www.bfrr.de/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel [https://t.me/+jA3nMkERPtc5YjQ0] ---------------------------------------- Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here [https://relai.ch/rock/]. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll. Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here [https://fountain.fm/show/wNv0vSPWzu8Gh7bZTorB] Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here [https://www.bfrr.de/disclaimer/] ---------------------------------------- All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!

21X Journey: Transforming Capital Markets with Blockchain

How the first TSS under the European DLT Pilot Regime revolutionizes tokenized securities settlement In this BFRR episode, hosts Stefan Grasmann and Manuel Klein dive into the third big pillar of digital finance: tokenized securities and the regulated market infrastructure needed to scale them. They’re joined by Max Heinzle (Founder & CEO) and Victoria Jahn (Head of Regulatory Affairs) from 21X—the company operating what they describe as Europe’s first DLT trading and settlement system (DLT-TSS). Max traces his journey from traditional capital markets to blockchain, arguing that distributed ledgers are the “missing” settlement layer for securities. He explains how 21X runs a blockchain-enabled exchange (currently on Polygon, with multi-chain plans) that atomically matches and settles trades in ~T+2 seconds, removing the need for a CSD and slashing post-trade friction and cost. Victoria unpacks the EU DLT Pilot Regime, clarifies what a TSS license allows (combining exchange and settlement on-chain), and why stringent issuer standards and disclosure are crucial to attract the buy side. The conversation gets practical: why stablecoins (e-money tokens under MiCA) are the cash leg today, how wholesale CBDC could complement them, and what it takes to onboard wallet-native investors, RWAs funds, custodians, brokers, and—eventually—neo-banks and large distribution platforms. The hosts press on the perennial hurdles: secondary markets for on-chain bonds, bootstrapping liquidity with market makers, and solving the “chicken-and-egg” problem via multilateral venues rather than OTC. Looking ahead, 21X outlines a US expansion via broker-dealer/ATS licensing plus targeted exemptive relief, citing open doors at regulators and growing institutional demand. The panel imagines a near future where 24/7 programmable markets, per-second yield accrual, automated treasury, and T+1-second DvP finality are standard—and where public, permissionless rails connect global issuers and investors within robust regulatory guardrails. If you want a clear, insider view of how regulated on-chain capital markets could finally scale—from stablecoin settlement to tokenized MMFs, ETFs, bonds, and equities—this episode is your blueprint. 21X website [https://21x.eu/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website [https://www.bfrr.de/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel [https://t.me/+jA3nMkERPtc5YjQ0] ---------------------------------------- Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here [https://relai.ch/rock/]. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll. Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here [https://fountain.fm/show/wNv0vSPWzu8Gh7bZTorB] Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here [https://www.bfrr.de/disclaimer/] ---------------------------------------- All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!

When Banks and Nations Enter the Digital Money Arena | News

We unpack October’s biggest crypto and blockchain news – market shocks, institutional adoption, and how China’s digital currency ambitions add a new geopolitical twist In this new BFRR news episode of Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll, Michael and Jonas break down what happened in October across crypto markets, institutional blockchain, and stablecoins — and why it matters for the future of digital finance. They start with the macro shock of the month: tariff threats between the U.S. and China triggered one of the largest crypto liquidations ever — roughly $20 billion in leveraged positions wiped out — and sent total crypto market cap swinging between $4.3T and $3.5T before settling near $3.75T. The hosts debate whether this proves that crypto is now a mature macro asset class that trades like equities… or just more proof that Bitcoin currently behaves more like tech stocks than “digital gold.” From there, they zoom in on Bitcoin and Ethereum. Bitcoin held around $112K after spiking to $125K, but the headline story is political: Luxembourg became the first EU member state to allocate part of its sovereign wealth fund (1%) to Bitcoin ETFs — a symbolic but important milestone for nation-state level adoption. On Ethereum, they unpack the upcoming “Fusuka” upgrade aimed at making the network faster and cheaper through more efficient data handling and rollup support. The core of the episode focuses on institutional blockchain infrastructure. Three developments stand out: the launch of “Regulated Layer 1,” a new European cooperative blockchain governed by major banks; Swift’s move to build a shared ledger with 30+ global banks for real-time cross-border settlement; and Deutsche Börse Group’s work with Chainlink to bring regulated market data on-chain. Michael and Jonas argue this is the shift from pilots to production — traditional finance is no longer experimenting with blockchain, it’s building and owning it. Finally, they dive into stablecoins: Deutsche Börse partnering with Circle, Société Générale pushing bank-issued stablecoins directly into DeFi, major global banks exploring a joint stablecoin initiative, and China’s strategic push into yuan- and even euro-linked stablecoins. The lines between TradFi, DeFi, and geopolitics are blurring — fast. BFRR episode with Ivica Aračić on DLT architecture [https://bfrr.info/architecting-dlt-financial-infrastructures-with-swiat-cto-ivica-aracic/] Knowledge Bite Michael: Opinion piece “From bank wars to blockchain” [https://www.ledgerinsights.com/from-bank-wars-to-blockchain/] Knowledge Bite Jonas: ECB digital euro cost note [https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/timeline/profuse/shared/pdf/ecb.deprep251010_a_view_on_recent_assessments_of_digital_euro_investment_costs_for_the_euro_area_banking_sector.en.pdf] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website [https://www.bfrr.de/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel [https://t.me/+jA3nMkERPtc5YjQ0] ---------------------------------------- Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here [https://relai.ch/rock/]. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll. Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here [https://fountain.fm/show/wNv0vSPWzu8Gh7bZTorB] Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here [https://www.bfrr.de/disclaimer/] ---------------------------------------- All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!

Architecting DLT Financial Infrastructures with SWIAT-CTO Ivica Aračić

SWIAT’s CTO explains the architecture needed to move digital asset infrastructure from innovation to production In this episode of BFRR – Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock ’n’ Roll, co-host Michael Blaschke sits down with Ivica Aračić, CTO of Swiat and former IT architect at DekaBank, to map the real architecture of DLT-based financial market infrastructures—beyond pilots and press releases. With two decades in software engineering and hands-on work in TradFi since 2016, Ivica explains how the industry is shifting from “zero-to-one” experiments to “one-to-many” scale. We introduce and use the ASAP model (Access, Service, Asset, Platform) as a simple, powerful lens: * Platform: permissioned Ethereum and other ledgers now run reliably, but governance and neutral coordination matter. * Asset: tokenization is real (bonds, fund shares, money-like instruments), yet standards beyond ERC-20 remain fragmented. * Service: the hard part—DvP/DvD, cross-ledger settlement, secondary markets, and payment legs (central bank money, tokenized deposits, stablecoins). Progress is tangible (e.g., Eurosystem trials, Pontus Track), but consolidation is key. * Access: institutions want convenient, custody-driven access; UX should hide the blockchain while preserving its benefits. We discuss why convergence and consolidation are finally happening (industry coalitions, neutral shared utilities, and big-tent moves like ledger interoperability) and how Swiat’s Regulated Layer 1 aims to provide a credibly neutral meeting place for European finance—so competition can move to assets and services, not base infrastructure. Ivica shares a pragmatic roadmap: finish the payment leg across money types, enable liquid secondary markets under the Pilot Regime, and achieve eligibility so tokenized assets are first-class collateral. Long view? Success is when no one talks about wallets or chains—just better, safer markets. ASAP: A Conceptual Model for Digital Asset Platforms [https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2024/02/02/ASAP-A-Conceptual-Model-for-Digital-Asset-Platforms-544387] SWIAT Research [https://www.swiat.io/solutions/research/] Ivica Aračić’s Newsletter [https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7160391757283684352/] Ivica Aračić at LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivicaa/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Website [https://www.bfrr.de/] Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll Telegram Channel [https://t.me/+jA3nMkERPtc5YjQ0] ---------------------------------------- Relai*: Buy Bitcoin with Relai – you can do a one-time purchase or savings plan: Click here [https://relai.ch/rock/]. Use the referral code "ROCK" to reduce transaction fees by 0.1% while supporting Bitcoin, Fiat & Rock'n'Roll. Value4Value Podcast Streaming: Support our podcast by listening to our episodes on the Fountain Podcast App. This way, if you wish, you can support us "Value4Value" while listening to the podcast. You can find us on the Fountain Podcast App here: Click here [https://fountain.fm/show/wNv0vSPWzu8Gh7bZTorB] Disclaimer: The content of this podcast reflects the private opinions of the hosts, serves exclusively for general information purposes and does not constitute investment advice. Always remember: Do your own research - inform yourself before making any investment decisions, such as buying Bitcoin. First try to understand what Bitcoin is and how to store it. This podcast does not provide financial advice. Note that the co-hosts might be invested in crypto assets. Read more on our website: Click here [https://www.bfrr.de/disclaimer/] ---------------------------------------- All links marked with "*" are affiliate links. If you use these links for purchase, the podcast receives a small share of the revenue without any additional costs to you. On the contrary, affiliate links often include discount promotions, so you can even save money. We would appreciate it if you use these links to support us. Thank you very much!