The Setting Trick: Conversations with World Class Bridge Players

Ep: 108: Luc Bellicaud on Building Lia, the Bridge Robot Beating Humans at Their Own Game

In this episode, I sit down with Luc Bellicaud - a three-time Junior World Champion from France and the developer of Lia, the AI bridge robot at IntoBridge. Why is Luc the first French bridge player I’ve interviewed? Because last month, IntoBridge, launched a powerful new AI coaching tool, named after him. Coach Luc is designed to help beginner and intermediate players spot their bidding mistakes(!) in real time. And I wanted the scoop! Luc started building Lia as an intern, describing himself as "quite clueless." Through time he has created an excellent partner and opponent. We discuss how he built her from the ground up and how he fixes her mistakes. Having the coach named after you comes with pressure! Luc shares the controversy over Lia's full-deal access and why LLMs are still no match for hand-coded bridge logic. Luc dates a bridge player who represents France internationally - and amusingly, she works for rival company Funbridge! Together they run a free weekly beginners club in Lille, fuelled by…FREE PIZZA! Away from the table, Luc runs France's biggest YouTube bridge channel. He also refuses to fly unless he must in order to represent his country. 10:20 PM Key Highlights: * 🤖 Building Lia from Scratch: Starting with zero experience, Luc built Lia into a top bridge robot opponent and partner. * 🎓 Coach Luc Goes Live: A brand-new AI feature giving real-time bidding feedback, now in beta. * 🃏 Full Deal Access: Lia sees the full deal during card play - not to cheat, but for speed and better user experience. * 🎥 YouTube & Bidding Systems: Luc runs France's biggest bridge YouTube channel and invented his own bidding system as a joke. Resources and Next Steps: 🤖 Try Coach Luc on IntoBridge [https://intobridge.com/news/the-new-bridge-robot-is-here/] - Play a game and see if Coach Luc has any notes on your bidding. ▶️ Watch Luc's French Bridge YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/@lucbellicaud] for weekly bridge content and lessons. 🎬 Watch the documentary Double Dummy [https://doubledummymovie.com/watch/] featuring the USA junior team - with some familiar faces from Luc's opponents. 🎧 More Stories Like This - Subscribe to The Setting Trick [https://podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/the-setting-trick-conversations-with-world-class/id1345780835] wherever you listen to podcasts for more deep dives into the world of bridge. 📱 Follow @thesettingtrick [https://www.instagram.com/thesettingtrick/] - Stay connected on Instagram for episode drops, tournament pics, and more. YouTube Chapter Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction – Luc Bellicaud 1:53 Coach Luc: The AI Bidding Coach on IntoBridge 7:06 Learning Bridge: Beginners, Teachers & The Lille Club 14:07 Bridge Companies, FunBridge Fallout & AI Controversy 23:21 Building Lia: Coding, Bidding Logic & Design Choices 36:06 The Story Behind Lia’s Name 39:22 Bridge Life: Travel, Tournaments & Playing with His Girlfriend 49:47 Bridge Systems, Partners & Competitive Play 58:39 The Bermuda Bowl Final in Lyon 1:04:04 Double Dummy Documentary & Youth Championships 1:13:00 Luc’s YouTube Channel & Closing

Ep: 107: Adam Parrish on Leveling Up, Writing Bridge Books and What It Takes to Win at the Nationals

In this episode, I sit down with Adam Parrish, a two-time winner of the American Bridge Teachers Book of the Year Award, host of the Leveling Up podcast, and author of six bridge books. Adam spent all of 2025 on a self-improvement project, dedicating an entire year to getting better at bridge while documenting every step publicly. We dive into what that year actually looked like, from tracking hours of study instead of chasing results, to working with top coaches like Joyjit Sensarma and learning key lessons from players like Steve Weinstein, Bobby Levin, and Gavin Wolpert. Did he actually level up? We also dig into some boards from the team trials, the art of listening as a podcaster, and why Adam believes you cannot improve in isolation. He shares stories about his longtime partner Greg Humphreys, how their NABC Fast Pairs win unfolded in Reno, and his experience playing the USA Team Trials on LoveBridge. Plus, we explore his journey from learning bridge from his maternal grandmother to writing a bridge novel, and what it takes to truly level up at this humbling, wonderful game.   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: * 📋 The Leveling Up Project: Adam spent all of 2025 publicly documenting his year-long mission to improve at bridge, tracking hours of study and process rather than just chasing results. * 🏆 NABC Fast Pairs Victory: The story behind winning the national Fast Pairs with partner Greg Humphreys in Reno, including the celebration dinner, the trophy photo scandal, and the near-repeat the following year derailed by COVID. * 🎯 Learning from the Best: How working with coaches like Joyjit Sensarma, and picking the brains of Gavin Wolpert, Bobby Levin, and Steve Weinstein, transformed Adam's approach to system and decision-making at the table. * 🖥️ LoveBridge Team Trials Deep Dive: Why Adam loves the USA Team Trials format on LoveBridge, how he uses VuGraph sessions for study, and who is more fun to share a room with Marty Fleisher or Kevin Bathurst at the event. * 📚 Six Books and Counting: From a bridge novel to "When to Draw Trumps" and beyond, Adam explains what inspires each book, how student feedback shapes his writing, and why a simple request can turn into 350 pages. * 🎭 The Art of the Interview: A candid conversation between two podcast hosts about preparation, listening, letting conversations breathe, and why going in without a rigid agenda produces the best results.   RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS: * 🎧 Listen to Adam's podcast: Leveling Up with Adam Parrish [https://adamparrishthethought.substack.com/s/leveling-up]. * 📰 Explore Adam's monthly newsletter [https://adamparrishthethought.substack.com/p/parrish-the-thought-newsletter-604]. * 📖 Browse Adam's bridge books including When to Draw Trumps [https://bridgewinners.com/store/author/adam-parrish/] and his other titles. * 💻 Check out the Love Bridge [https://lovebridge.com/]  and experience the online bridge platform Adam recommends for serious study. * 🎴 Watch hands and study expert play using Bridge Winners [https://bridgewinners.com], the website built by Greg. * 🎧 More Stories Like This – Subscribe to The Setting Trick [https://podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/the-setting-trick-conversations-with-world-class/id1345780835] wherever you listen to podcasts for more deep dives into the world of bridge. * 📱 Follow @thesettingtrick [https://www.instagram.com/thesettingtrick/] – Stay connected on Instagram and for episode drops, tournament pics, and more.   CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Introduction 1:05 Meet Adam Parrish and the Leveling Up podcast 4:06 What is the Leveling Up project and why he started it 6:57 Tracking process over results and working with a sports psychology coach 9:12 A tough year at the nationals with Greg Humphries 11:10 Why you cannot improve alone and the value of mentorship 13:26 Has Greg actually leveled up? Talking about his long-time partner 18:16 Live hand analysis from the USA Team Trials 25:00 What separates different levels of players on the same decision 27:13 The most consistent takeaway from a year of learning from the best 35:58 Learning bridge from his maternal grandmother 38:01 Finding duplicate bridge in high school and college 42:44 The NABC Fast Pairs win in Reno with Greg Humphries 46:41 Third place in the Platinum Pairs and the revoke karma story 50:47 Stories about Greg Humphries and what makes him special 58:30 Trying to wrangle Greg for the GNT and team commitments 1:00:00 Why the LoveBridge Team Trials format is exceptional 1:02:43 How Adam uses view graph sessions for serious bridge study 1:05:06 Editing Kit Woolsey's Matchpoints and the book's legacy 1:06:55 Writing six bridge books and what inspires each one 1:15:00 Tournament routines, preparation, and the importance of rest 1:18:53 Podcast preparation and the art of the interview 1:22:47 Plans for the World Championships in Poland and upcoming events 1:25:42 Final reflections and wrap-up

Ep. 106: Avery Silverstein on Junior World Championships, Family Bridge Mentorship, and Chasing Gold

In this episode, I sit down with Avery Silverstein, a 17-year-old bridge prodigy who has fallen hard for the game. Despite her young age, Avery has already earned two medals at the Junior World Championships and reached the round of 16 in the Vanderbilt as my partner. We discuss her journey from family bridge club kid to international competitor, including having her father, professional player Aaron Silverstein, as her primary mentor. Avery talks candidly about balancing her senior year of high school with competitive bridge, her training regimen, and how she manages the pressure of representing her country on the world stage. From our dramatic 62-IMP comeback victory against the seventh seed to her heartbreaking silver medal finish at the U16 World Championships, Avery shares the emotional highs and lows of being deeply invested in the game. We explore her multifaceted life, which includes being close to a black belt in mixed martial arts and playing on her school's rugby team. Avery also discusses the college admissions process, her 26 college applications, and the possibility of taking a gap year to focus on professional bridge. With warmth and maturity beyond her years, she reflects on mentorship, the importance of being a great teammate, and her mission to help grow the next generation of junior players.   KEY HIGHLIGHTS: 🏆 Silver Medal Journey: Avery recounts her team's incredible comeback from being the bottom three or four teams after two days to reaching the final and earning silver at the U16 World Championships. 🎯 Epic Vanderbilt Comeback: The story of our partnership defeating the seventh seed in the Vanderbilt after being down 62 IMPs at halftime, including the dramatic final quarter where our opponents took a 10-minute break and we closed with three consecutive double-digit wins. 👨‍👧 Father-Daughter Mentorship: Avery discusses the unique dynamics of having Aaron Silverstein as both her dad and primary bridge mentor, including managing nepotism concerns, disagreeing with his advice 15-20% of the time, and how their system evolves differently from his professional partnerships. 📚 System Evolution: How Avery and her partner Jack Boge have built an 80-90 page system document by borrowing from top professionals, playing transfer club, constructive two-bids, and constantly refining their approach through weekly practice sessions.   RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS: 🎧 More Stories Like This – Subscribe to The Setting Trick [https://podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/the-setting-trick-conversations-with-world-class/id1345780835] wherever you listen to podcasts for more deep dives into the world of bridge. 📱 Follow @thesettingtrick [https://www.instagram.com/thesettingtrick/] – Stay connected on Instagram for episode drops, tournament pics, and more.   CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS:   0:00 Start 0:00 Introduction to Avery Silverstein 1:30 Growing up with professional bridge player parents 2:10 Becoming better than mom at bridge 3:10 Life at the family bridge club 4:20 What friends think about bridge 6:30 Previous podcast appearances and media coverage 7:20 Managing school absences for tournaments 8:10 The beautiful Madeira tournament experience 15:00 Partnership dynamics and playing with different people 24:00 Competing at World Junior Championships 35:00 The intense preparation and practice routine 45:00 Memorable hands and tournament moments 55:00 International bridge community and friendships 1:03:00 Norwegian competitor Nikolai Berg Evans 1:05:00 The pressure of must-win matches 1:06:00 Silver medal heartbreak and "chasing gold" 1:07:30 Weekend plans and upcoming tournaments 1:08:10 MMA training and competition record 1:09:00 Four gold medals and three silver medals in MMA 1:10:00 Looking ahead to St. Louis and future competitions

Ep. 105: Teaching Bridge to a New Generation with Maya Jonas-Silver

I was inspired to interview Maya Jonas-Silver, because of this [https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/getting-youngish-adults-into-bridge-why-we-should-why-we-arent-and-how-we-could/#new_12] post she made on Bridge Winners bemoaning the lack of playing opportunities for her recent bridge initiates. After winning the 2023 20-50 Mini McKenney award Maya hasn't stopped. She has become a passionate advocate for bringing young adults into the game. Here she shares her journey from learning bridge at summer camp to becoming a bridge teacher and director at Honors Bridge Club in New York City. Her teaching philosophy, that bridge doesn't need to be intimidating or require years of study before you can actually play and enjoy the game, has helped me be more willing to introduce friends to the game using her framework. Maya believes in getting beginners to the table quickly, and no feedback! We discuss the barriers facing young bridge players, from finding affordable games to navigating the tournament scene without mentors. Maya reflects on the critical moments in her own bridge career, when someone like Yoko Sobel stepped in to encourage her and her husband Jack. She also shares her vision for growing the game, including making beginner classes more accessible, creating online teaching modules, and building a network of bridge mentors to help newcomers transition from lessons to competitive play. Plus, we touch on the joys and challenges of playing bridge with your spouse and balancing bridge with parenthood. _____________________________________________________________ KEY HIGHLIGHTS: 🎓 Teaching Bridge Fast: Maya's approach to teaching beginners focuses on getting people playing right away. She believes bridge is simple enough to learn in an hour and emphasizes playing over endless study. 🏆 From Beginner to National Competitor: Maya shares how she went from playing kitchen table bridge to qualifying for Nationals in GNT, finishing second and sending teams to represent New York, including students who had only been playing for 6-18 months. 💡 The Mentorship Gap: Maya discusses how critical it was to have people like Yoko Sobel, Alan Davidson, and Drew Cavalier invest in her development, and why building a network of mentors for young adults is essential for growing the game. 🎯 Making Bridge Accessible: Maya advocates for free or low-cost beginner games, online teaching modules, and better pathways from lessons to duplicate play. She sees young adults as an underserved demographic in the bridge world who need structured support. ❤️ Playing with Your Partner: Maya and her husband Jack navigate the joys and tensions of being bridge partners and life partners. She shares their philosophy: she can handle being the better player, but when he's better, expectations get too high! 🎲 Bridge vs. Board Games: Maya compares bridge to popular board games like Settlers of Catan, arguing that bridge is actually simpler than many games people willingly spend hours learning. _____________________________________________________________ RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS: 📱 Practice your skills on FunBridge [https://www.funbridge.com] - Maya's favorite app for beginners because you can replay hands and learn from mistakes. 🎯 Bid with your partner asynchronously using Cuebids [https://www.cuebids.com] - A great tool for getting more practice without needing to coordinate schedules. 🏛️ Visit Maya at Honors Bridge Club [https://honorsbridgeclub.com] in New York City (110 East 55th Street) for beginner classes and supervised play. 📱 Maya's Instructions [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i4M4wWV-jc1xBmLFp3Rpba0ZfJm88iq5tdtpOVQS8SE/edit?usp=sharing] for teaching bridge to beginners 🎧 More Stories Like This - Subscribe to The Setting Trick [https://podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/the-setting-trick-conversations-with-world-class/id1345780835] wherever you listen to podcasts for more deep dives into the world of bridge. 📱 Follow @thesettingtrick [https://www.instagram.com/thesettingtrick/] - Stay connected on Instagram for episode drops, tournament pics, and more. _____________________________________________________________ CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Start 1:40 Mini McKenney win 2:40 Teaching young adults and the gap in bridge programs 5:00 Maya's 10-week teaching structure 6:20 GNT success: students qualifying for Nationals 8:20 Losing to the eventual GNT champions 11:00 Learning bridge at summer camp 14:00 Moving to New York and finding the bridge community 15:00 Meeting Yoko Sobel and bar bridge in Brooklyn 18:00 Becoming a director at Honors Bridge Club 19:00 Playing in the Mixed Trials 21:00 The importance of GNT for young players 23:00 Katie Sullivan and rare young bridge success stories 26:00 Playing with Omar in NAP 28:00 Playing with James Holzhauer (Jeopardy champion) 31:40 Bridge as a career and overcoming existential dread 35:00 Learning bridge at summer camp and teaching philosophy 36:40 Bridge as a victim of its own success 38:30 Teaching beginners: no trump, suited play, then bidding 40:00 Document for teaching friends in one hour 45:00 Teaching David Ger's friend at the bridge club 48:20 The importance of not giving too much feedback 53:00 Teaching quantitative traders how to bid 54:20 Working at Honors Bridge Club and directing 56:40 The Revenge Mitchell movement 1:00:30 Playing rubber bridge at the Regency 1:07:00 Making bridge free for young adults 1:09:40 Creating a compelling bridge film or series 1:11:00 Favorite resources: FunBridge and Cubits 1:16:20 Bridge fights and playing with your spouse 1:19:30 Bridge and parenthood 1:26:00 Getting hired to play vs. teaching 1:28:00 Studying human evolutionary biology at Harvard 1:30:00 The evolution of cooperation and bridge strategy

Ep. 104: From Water Polo to World Championships with Ethan Derman

In this episode, I sit down with Ethan Derman, a remarkable young talent who just got accepted early decision to the University of Virginia. Ethan shares his journey from playing baseball and water polo to becoming a junior world championship medalist in bridge. We dive into our dramatic Vanderbilt comeback against the heavily favored Rubenstein team featuring Zach Grossack, Michael Rosenberg, Joe Grue and Brad Moss. Where we were down 62 IMPs at the half. Then pulled of one of the most satisfying wins I've ever experienced. Ethan goes into his difficult decision to quit competitive baseball to focus on bridge, and how that choice has shaped his path forward. We explore how water polo taught him teamwork and mental toughness that translates directly to the bridge table. Ethan discusses his partnership with Avery Silverstein, training with legendary player Chip Martel, and invaluable coaching from Aaron Silverstein, Avery's dad. From winning silver and bronze medals at junior world championships to balancing college applications with tournament play, Ethan has a big future ahead in the game. His summer plans include playing multiple European tournaments as well as the nationals and world championships. KEY HIGHLIGHTS: •       🎓 UVA Early Decision: Ethan shares the emotional moment of getting accepted to UVA early decision, his top choice. Though he's not sure how much he'll be involved with Hoos Playing Bridge, the UVA club. •       🏆 The Epic Vanderbilt Comeback: How our team, Silversetin and the Destroyers, rallied from down 62 IMPs at halftime to defeat the 8th overall-seed. •       🥈 World Championship Medals: Ethan recounts winning silver in the Under-16 and bronze in the Under-21 world championships, including dramatic qualification battles and playing against the best junior teams in the world. •       ⚾ Choosing Bridge Over Baseball: The difficult decision to quit competitive baseball despite being on track for college recruitment, and how falling in love with bridge made that choice clear. •       🤽 Water Polo's Impact on Bridge: How being a varsity water polo player taught Ethan about teamwork, handling pressure, and the goldfish mentality of forgetting the last board, essential skills for competitive bridge. •       👨‍🏫 Training with the Best: Ethan's structured training regimen have at times included weekly sessions with Chip Martel, one of the winningest players in ACBL history, and constant mentorship from Aaron Silverstein. RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS: •       🎧 More Stories Like This - Subscribe to The Setting Trick [https://podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/the-setting-trick-conversations-with-world-class/id1345780835] wherever you listen to podcasts for more deep dives into the world of bridge. •       📱 Follow @thesettingtrick - Stay connected on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/thesettingtrick/] for episode drops, tournament pics, and more. CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Introduction and Welcome 1:45 Getting Into UVA Early Decision 5:41 Future Bridge Goals and Summer Training Plans 8:36 Training with Chip Martell 12:06 The Importance of Mentorship in Bridge 15:17 First Meeting and Playing Together 22:39 Starting Bridge and Playing with Paul Holmes 26:46 Traveling Solo to Tournaments 30:13 Family Background and Bridge Heritage 32:58 College and Career Goals in Finance 35:31 Balancing Bridge with Future Career 37:17 Water Polo and Its Impact on Bridge 42:38 Aaron Silverstein as Coach and Mentor 43:17 The Epic Vanderbilt Comeback Against Grue-Moss 50:10 Quitting Baseball to Focus on Bridge 54:31 Under-16 World Championship Silver Medal 01:01:04 Under-21 World Championship Bronze Medal 01:07:45 The Importance of Aaron's Coaching 01:12:32 Beating Team Rubenstein - Biggest Achievement 01:14:04 Playing on Vugraph Against World-Class Players 01:19:54 Summer Bridge Tour Plans in Europe 01:22:27 Friends' Reactions to Bridge Career 01:26:11 Wrap Up and Looking Ahead