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Brave Proximity: Real Leadership Doesn't Happen at a Distance

Podcast by Marissa Green & Susan Page

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Brave Proximity Hosted by Marissa Green & Susan PageMost leadership podcasts will tell you to "lean in," "build psychological safety," and "align your stakeholders." This isn't that podcast.Brave Proximity is for corporate change makers and people-centered leaders who are exhausted by performance theater and ready for honest conversations about what's actually happening in organizations today and how to build a more humane way forward.The name says it all: brave enough to stop avoiding, proximate enough to stop pretending. Each episode starts with the elephant in the room — the tension too real for a town hall, too human for a slide deck, and too costly to keep ignoring. We don't manage it. We move toward it.Hosts Marissa Green and Susan Page bring decades of real experience in strategy execution, culture, leadership development, and large-scale change — and zero tolerance for corporate euphemisms. Together they name what leaders are already feeling but rarely say out loud: that something essential keeps breaking down, and it isn't the strategy.Expect truth, a little irreverence, and the occasional moment where you think: oh thank god, I'm not crazy.This is for the leaders who know the frameworks aren't enough — and are ready to try proximity instead.About the HostsMarissa Green has spent 20+ years helping organizations bring strategy and large-scale change to life through human-centered communication. Her conclusion after all of it: without real connection, even the best plans fail quietly.Susan Page is a culture builder and leadership developer with deep roots in Life Sciences, including a Brandon Hall Award for learning programs that actually moved the needle. She coaches through honest conversation — not polished ones.Together, they don't offer another leadership framework. They offer a different way of being with the work.

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15 episodes

episode The Career Ladder Never Really Existed Anyway: How to Prepare for the Future of Development artwork

The Career Ladder Never Really Existed Anyway: How to Prepare for the Future of Development

RETHINKING CAREER PATHING: THE FUTURE OF DEVELOPMENT IN ORGANIZATIONS What if the idea of a career ladder is just a mirage? As organizations fast-forward into the future of work, traditional development systems are no longer enough — they're part of the problem. This conversation cuts through the noise, exposing the illusion of linear progress and framing development as agility, project work, and personal ownership. This isn’t about tweaking the system. It’s about dismantling old assumptions and designing new pathways for growth that match the speed and complexity of today’s world. The answer isn’t in more promises, but in real experimentation and brave structural shifts. The future of development requires a different approach—one built on trust, agility, and shared outcomes. KEY INSIGHTS: * The concept of a linear "career path" is largely a myth. * Organizations often create empty promises around development, masking retention tactics. * The existing system is broken, biased, and increasingly disconnected from reality. * Moving from job descriptions to project-based work: outcomes as the new organizing principle. * Leadership development should be project-focused, not role-focused. * Employees must own their development — organizations should enable, not dictate. * Pilot new approaches early; scale quickly without waiting for perfection. * The importance of agility and experimentation in HR systems. * External moves and reputation matter more than loyalty. * Design a future where career mobility is a fluid, multi-directional jungle gym. CONNECT WITH MARISSA AND SUSAN: * Brave Proximity Mailing List [https://www.braveproximity.com/newsletter-subscription] https://riverside.com/editor/bf386035-1dcd-46fd-87a3-47f5d7673f6f/6a1d8b5383b06b7df6e11eb5# * Leave us a Voicemail on VOXER [https://voxer.app.link/profile?username=bpelephants] * Marissa Green - LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissagreen/] * Susan Page - LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanpage/]

1 Jun 2026 - 33 min
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Embracing Your Own Purgatory with Geoff Curtis

“We’re always expected to be experts whenever we walk into a room... but we’re never experts of ourselves.” What happens when the work goes away? In this special, raw, live-recorded episode of Brave Proximity, Marissa and Susan welcome author Geoff Curtis to pull back the curtain on executive transitions. Many of us have spent decades climbing the ladder, unknowingly using the non-stop demands of our careers as a high-end safety net for emotional avoidance. When that structure is abruptly removed, the resulting emptiness can be devastating. Geoff shares his personal battle with depression after exiting his corporate role, the painful process of unmasking his identity from his job description, and what it actually takes to sit in the discomfort of transition instead of sprinting to the next venture. Key Insights: * The Friday-to-Monday Reflex: Why sprinting into a new role or consulting practice is often a defense mechanism against self-awareness. * The Corporate Validation Train: How modern corporate environments capitalize on our internal need to "prove ourselves". * The Expiration Date on Relevance: Confronting the explicit psychological terror of losing your industry footprint. * Intention Over Time: How even breadwinners without financial flexibility can leverage choice and micro-moments of pause. * Redefining Success: Shifting your metrics from Amazon best-seller campaigns to meaningful, organic community alignment. Disclaimer: The thoughts and opinions expressed on this show are our own and should not be taken as formal human resources or legal guidance. 👉 DOWNLOAD THE PURGATORY WORKSHEET Are you currently in transition, or desperate to pause? Don't run straight into an unvetted next move. Visit our website to download the free S1 E13 Practice Guide to audit your triggers, process your patterns, and bring real intention back to your life. Website: www.braveproximity.com [http://www.braveproximity.com] Marissa's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-green1/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-green1/] Susan's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanraderpage/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanraderpage/] Geoff Curtis' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffreycurtis/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffreycurtis/]

25 May 2026 - 33 min
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You Can't Handle My Whole Self at Work

THE MYTH OF WHOLE SELF AT WORK This conversation cuts through the slick language and exposes what’s really happening when organizations talk about bringing your "whole self" to work. What started as a buzz term became less about sparking genuine authenticity and more about navigating a system that often won’t hold your full reality without cost. KEY INSIGHTS: * The phrase "bring your whole self" is a trap, often weaponized by systems that don’t support genuine authenticity. * Organizations struggle—sometimes outright refuse—to create spaces where people can feel safe to fully show up. * Expecting employees to be their whole selves without structural support is a setup for failure. * Leadership’s role is to meet employees in their human moments—offering grace, understanding, and honesty. * The gap between organizational promises and reality drives turnover more than anything else. * Building authenticity in the workplace requires clarity from leadership, not just catchphrases. * The real work is listening without judgment, not overcomplicating the concept of "whole self." * Treat time and vulnerability as investments: showing up humanely pays off in loyalty and engagement. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - The disconnect between "whole self" and workplace realities 01:17 - When did "bringing your whole self" turn into a burden? 03:47 - Why creating a safe space for all employees is unrealistic 04:13 - The yo-yo cycle of organizational promises and cancellations 05:23 - Rethinking professionalism and identity at work 06:14 - The pitfall of trying to internalize "whole self" without systemic shifts 09:45 - The disconnect between what we say and what we do in organizations 16:19 - How talent propositions hide gaps instead of facing them 17:45 - Normalizing imperfection in organizational culture Resources & Links: * Brave Proximity Website [https://www.braveproximity.com] * @braveproximity Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/braveproximity/] * @braveproximity YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BraveProximity] * Susan Page - LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanraderpage/] * Marissa Green - LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-green1/]

18 May 2026 - 32 min
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When No One Tells the CEO the Truth

When Filtering the Truth Becomes the Real Problem In an environment where up is down and “everything is fine” often meets silence, honest conversations are more vital than ever. This episode confronts the habit of filtering truth in leadership and explores how transparency with brave proximity drives real progress. Key insights: * Leaders are often fed filtered truths to avoid discomfort or upsetting the status quo. * The real risk isn’t in speaking hard truths; it’s in the silence that follows. * Filtering truths creates false confidence, leading to poor decisions and wasted resources. * Building trust through relationships and proximity encourages leaders to handle the truth. * Every level of an organization needs clear signals, from CEOs to front-line teams. * The importance of questioning assumptions and encouraging diverse perspectives. * The myth of perfection: humans and organizations thrive better in draft mode. * Letting go of the “perfect product” mentality accelerates innovation. * The dance of navigating swirl and spin in complex organizations—a necessary reality. * Recognizing when decisions should be pushed down—not just pushed up—for better insight and agility. Resources & Links: * Brave Proximity Website [https://braveproximity.com/] * Susan Page - LinkedIn [https://linkedin.om/in/susanpage] * Marissa Green - LinkedIn [https://linkedin.com/in/marissagreen] Connect with Us: * Share your experiences of brave truth-telling. * Hit us up on LinkedIn.

12 May 2026 - 30 min
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Ask Your People: Data Is Not a Substitute for Judgment

“Waiting for perfect data is how obvious problems spiral out of control.” Ever seen a cultural disaster or a project failure coming a mile away, only to be told: "We need more data before we can act"? In this episode of Brave Proximity, Marissa and Susan unearth the dangerous corporate tendency to use spreadsheets as a shield against making hard decisions. We’ve been conditioned to believe that if it isn't in a dashboard, it isn't real—but your intuition is a data point, and your people are the primary source. Today, we talk about reclaiming Signal Detection as a leadership superpower. We explore why an 8-month data-heavy rollout is often a 0-value strategy, and how leaders can start building "Islands of Coherence" that move faster than any survey. It’s time to stop mining the dashboards and start listening to the humans. Key Insights: * The Data Shield: Why we use requests for "more proof" to prolong decisions and shirk responsibility. * The "Whitewashing" of Truth: Why engagement surveys often hide the very reality your gut is already sensing. * Islands of Coherence: Moving away from failed global rollouts toward small, organic spaces where success can ripple outward. * Augmented Intuition: Why judgment and reasoning are the core leadership skill sets of the future—not just data literacy. * Acting on Incomplete Info: Why the most effective leaders prioritize speed and human signal over clinical perfection. Time-Stamped Highlights: * (00:00) The "Signal Detection" superpower: Seeing the storm before the data does. * (01:10) Data as a delay tactic: Are you seeking clarity or avoiding fallout? * (10:46) Beyond the dashboard: Why your "inner knowing" is a valid metric. * (12:40) The cost of waiting: Why "perfect data" creates stale strategies. * (20:52) Leading through crisis: The power of acting on human signals. * (25:29) How to build "Islands of Coherence" in a chaotic organization. Connect with Us: * [Marissa on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-green1/]] * [Susan on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanraderpage/]] * Brave Proximity on [Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/braveproximity/]] and [YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BraveProximity]] * [www.braveproximity.com [http://www.braveproximity.com]] Disclaimer: This podcast reflects personal experiences and perspectives. It is not intended as legal, HR, or organizational policy advice.

5 May 2026 - 27 min
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