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Brothers in Aerospace and Defense

Podcast by DeWayne Allen & Robert Wesley

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About Brothers in Aerospace and Defense

”Brothers in Aerospace and Defense” is a podcast that delves deep into the world of aerospace and defense with a unique perspective. Together, we’ll explore the fascinating intersection of technology and business in this dynamic industry. Our goal is to shed light on the achievements, challenges, and inspiring stories of black executives in aerospace and defense. In each episode, we’ll invite prominent guests who have made significant contributions to the field. We’ll also discuss current trends, innovations, and the future of aerospace and defense.

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21 episodes

episode How Great Leaders Fix Broken Aerospace Organizations artwork

How Great Leaders Fix Broken Aerospace Organizations

In this episode, hosts DeWayne Allen and Rob Wesley launch the new Power and Propulsion series with aerospace transformation leader Lillian Dukes. Drawing from decades of experience across aviation operations, supply chain, restructuring, and executive leadership, Lillian shares what it really takes to stabilize broken organizations, rebuild credibility, and lead transformation that actually sticks. The conversation covers regulatory pressure, leadership under stress, supply chain realities, the shift from engineer to executive, and the importance of mentorship, sponsorship, and measurable impact for the next generation of aerospace leaders.   Key Takeaways: 00:00 - Introduction to the Power and Propulsion Series 01:22 - Mission of the Series and Introduction of Lillian Dukes 04:15 - Walking Into a Broken Organization 06:31 - What to Ignore in the First 30 Days 10:13 - System Problems vs. Leadership Problems 15:50 - What Real Transformation Looks Like 19:40 - Why Executives Lose Touch With Operational Reality 21:29 - The Structural Challenge in Aerospace Supply Chains 25:21 - From Engineer to Executive 30:04 - Training, Development, and Scaling Leadership 32:24 - AI, Analytics, and Change Readiness 33:38 - Representation, Legacy, and Leadership Responsibility 36:18 - Advice for Black Engineers and Emerging Leaders 38:24 - Mentorship, Sponsorship, and Breaking Through 39:59 - The Leadership Impact That Outlasts a Career 41:51 - Lillian Dukes on Her Work Today and What Comes Next   Resources: LAD Consulting LLC [https://www.lad-consultants.com/] Connect with Lillian Dukes on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/lilliandukes] Connect with us: DeWayne Allen on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewayneallen/] Robert Wesley on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wesley-mba-pmp/]   Subscribe to our Newsletter: The StoryTeller [https://thestoryteller.beehiiv.com/] by DeWayne Allen Autonomous Platforms of the Future [https://autonomousplatformsofthefuture.beehiiv.com/subscribe] by Robert Wesley Produced by NOVA [https://novapodcasting.com]

27 Apr 2026 - 43 min
episode Ep. 19. How Missile Defense Actually Works Behind the Radar, AI, and Interceptors artwork

Ep. 19. How Missile Defense Actually Works Behind the Radar, AI, and Interceptors

In this episode, hosts DeWayne Allen and Rob Wesley break down how missile defense systems work using a simple framework: detect, decide, and defeat. They walk through the sensor networks that identify threats, the command-and-control systems that evaluate response options, and the intercept technologies that stop incoming targets. Along the way, they also dig into the business side of missile defense, from billion-dollar sensor programs and software-driven system integration to the growing pressure to lower cost-per-shot against emerging drone and swarm threats.   Key Takeaways: 00:46 – Newsreel: Defense Budget Pressure and Commercial Aerospace Supply Chain Challenges 05:17 – Detect: Why Early Threat Detection Is the Foundation of Missile Defense 05:38 – Technical Breakdown of the Detect Layer 07:06 – Business Dynamics of Sensor Networks and Detection Programs 09:17 – Decide: Command and Control as the Brain of the System 11:18 – Software Integration, AI/ML, and the Business Value of the Decide Layer 14:36 – Defeat: Interceptors, Directed Energy, and Kill Chain Execution 16:02 – Cost-Per-Shot Economics and the Business of Intercept Systems 20:04 – The Low-Cost Drone Threat and Attritable Countermeasures 23:16 – Architecture and Operations: How Detect, Decide, and Defeat Work Together 24:29 – Why Missile Defense Is Sold as an Integrated Architecture 27:53 – Strategic Wrap-Up: Why the Full System Matters 30:22 – Closing and Subscribe for More Aerospace and Defense Conversations   Resources: CSIS Missile Threat [https://missilethreat.csis.org/] Connect with us: DeWayne Allen on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewayneallen/] Robert Wesley on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wesley-mba-pmp/]   Subscribe to our Newsletter: The StoryTeller [https://thestoryteller.beehiiv.com/] by DeWayne Allen Autonomous Platforms of the Future [https://autonomousplatformsofthefuture.beehiiv.com/subscribe] by Robert Wesley Produced by NOVA [https://novapodcasting.com]

15 Apr 2026 - 31 min
episode Ep. 18. Weapons, Payloads & the Real Cost of Airpower artwork

Ep. 18. Weapons, Payloads & the Real Cost of Airpower

In this episode, hosts DeWayne Allen and Rob Wesley break down Weapons and Payloads 101, shifting the focus from aircraft platforms to the systems that actually determine mission success. They walk through air-to-air, air-to-ground, and standoff weapons, explain how payload decisions drive aircraft design, and unpack why integration and lifecycle sustainment account for so much of the cost in aerospace and defense. From the 2026 National Defense Strategy to emerging signals like counter-UAS and interoperability, this episode connects mission requirements to engineering realities and business strategy across the industry.   Key Takeaways: 00:00 – Why the Mission Drives Everything  01:34 – Industry Newsreel: Strategy, Sustainability & Production Shifts 06:28 – What “Payload” Really Means in Aerospace 07:19 – Air-to-Air Weapons (AIM-120, AIM-9) 08:58 – Air-to-Ground Weapons (JDAM, Hellfire, JASSM) 11:36 – Standoff Weapons & Survivability 12:34 – Guns and Cannons in Modern Combat 13:29 – How Weapons Are Mounted (Hardpoints & Bays) 15:37 – The P&L: Why These Systems Cost So Much 18:35 – Market Signals: Counter-UAS, Interoperability, Exportability 20:52 – Key Takeaways: Systems Over Platforms   Connect with us: DeWayne Allen on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewayneallen/] Robert Wesley on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wesley-mba-pmp/]   Subscribe to our Newsletter: The StoryTeller [https://thestoryteller.beehiiv.com/] by DeWayne Allen Autonomous Platforms of the Future [https://autonomousplatformsofthefuture.beehiiv.com/subscribe] by Robert Wesley Produced by NOVA [https://novapodcasting.com]

20 Feb 2026 - 22 min
episode Ep. 17. Understanding Airspace Communications artwork

Ep. 17. Understanding Airspace Communications

DeWayne Allen and Rob Wesley go behind the curtain on the communications ecosystem that keeps aircraft moving safely through crowded skies, especially during peak holiday travel. They connect the business of aviation comms (who pays, how it scales, and why modernization is accelerating) with the real operational flow of a flight, from clearance to taxi-in. The conversation also spotlights the next wave of complexity: integrating drones, BVLOS operations, and eVTOLs into shared airspace through digital infrastructure, UTM, and more automated, secure data-driven communications.   Key Takeaways: 00:00 - Holiday travel sets the stage: the “invisible” communications that keep aviation moving   01:39 - Newsreel kickoff: funding continuity, FAA modernization, and pressure from UAS and eVTOL growth   05:17 - The business of aerospace communications: market size, growth drivers, and who pays   07:20 - What the industry is really buying: safety, efficiency, and scalable growth   09:01 - Flight-by-flight architecture: clearance, ground, tower, TRACON, en route, approach, landing   17:18 - Standardization and shared language: ICAO phraseology, FAA protocols, and global operations   18:58 - Voice versus datalink: CPDLC/FANS, reduced congestion, improved routing, situational awareness   20:45 - Humans and technology together: staffing constraints, interoperability, upgrade economics   22:39 - The next airspace wave: UTM, detect-and-avoid, digital ID, and new revenue streams   23:53 - Major industry players and why investment continues   25:49 - Wrap-up: why modernization matters and the shift toward digital, automated communications Connect with us: DeWayne Allen on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewayneallen/] Robert Wesley on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wesley-mba-pmp/]   Subscribe to our Newsletter: The StoryTeller [https://thestoryteller.beehiiv.com/] by DeWayne Allen Autonomous Platforms of the Future [https://autonomousplatformsofthefuture.beehiiv.com/subscribe] by Robert Wesley Produced by NOVA [https://novapodcasting.com]

19 Dec 2025 - 27 min
episode Ep. 16. Inside the High-Stakes World of Defense Contracting artwork

Ep. 16. Inside the High-Stakes World of Defense Contracting

In this episode, hosts DeWayne Allen and Rob Wesley demystify government contracting in aerospace and defense, showing how contract models quietly dictate risk, margins, engineering choices, and cash flow across programs. They walk through firm fixed price, incentive fee, cost-reimbursable, IDIQ, time & materials, and performance-based logistics structures, explaining where each fits and how they shape both business and technical decisions. Using real-world examples from current missile and radar programs, they lay out a practical decision framework for matching contract type to technical maturity, customer risk appetite, and scope clarity—while designing incentives that actually drive performance. They wrap up with emerging trends like outcome-based availability contracts, digital twins, increasing compliance burden, and the rise of COTS and hybrid funding models that every engineer, program manager, and finance leader needs to track.   Key Takeaways: 01:04 – Newsreel: Boeing Chinook award, hybrid airships, and the impact of a prolonged government shutdown 03:15 – Why contract types matter: aligning risk, incentives, and performance 05:09 – Fixed price and incentive fee models: predictability vs. engineering risk 08:05 – Deep dive into fixed price and fixed price incentive fee (FPIF) 15:18 – Outcome-based and performance-based logistics: paying for results, not deliverables 18:00 – Building a decision framework for selecting the right contract type 25:22 – Real-world examples and lessons from major primes 26:58 – Future trends: digital twins, compliance, and hybrid funding models 30:03 – Closing insights and key takeaways Resources: Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation Supplement (DFARS): https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars [https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars%5C]FAR 16.2-16.6: Types of Contracts (U.S. Government Publishing Office): https://www.acquisition.gov/far/part-16 [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/part-16%5C]Lockheed Martin JASSM Contract (U.S. DoD Press Release, 2024): https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts [https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/]   Connect with us: DeWayne Allen on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dewayneallen/] Robert Wesley on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-wesley-mba-pmp/]   Subscribe to our Newsletter: The StoryTeller [https://thestoryteller.beehiiv.com/] by DeWayne Allen Autonomous Platforms of the Future [https://autonomousplatformsofthefuture.beehiiv.com/subscribe] by Robert Wesley   Produced by NOVA [https://novapodcasting.com]

5 Nov 2025 - 31 min
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