Concerned Clergy Podcast

Concerned Clergy Podcast May 13,2026

https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] SUMMARY: In this week’s edition of the Concerned Clergy Radio Show, hosts Reverend Tony Alexander and President Pastor David W. Greene Sr. dive into a timely and wide-ranging conversation about Christian nationalism versus true Christian discipleship, anchored by Pastor Greene’s recent article for Voices for Democracy examining how Christian nationalists systematically ignore Matthew 25 — Jesus’s explicit call to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for strangers. Drawing on Trump’s Easter behavior, J.D. Vance’s attack on the Pope, Indiana Lt. Governor Beckwith’s three-fifths remarks, and the governor’s plan to bring Turning Point USA clubs into middle and high schools, the hosts argue that what is being sold as Christian faith is in reality a bid for racial and political power — and that the full interfaith community must respond, as evidenced by the ongoing assault on voting rights and the looming loss of CICOA services for Indiana’s elderly and disabled. Callers including Tim, Joyce, Guy, and Imhotep each add their own perspective, ranging from Black economic self-determination to humanist philosophy to a call for broad faith-community solidarity. Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE 00:01:42 — Opening Prayer - Pastor Greene opens in prayer for the nation, state, and local leaders. - Prays against discord wherever the devil is sowing it. - Asks God’s protection over Rev. Alexander and blessings on all listeners. 00:02:06 — Topic Introduction: Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Discipleship - Rev. Alexander previews the night’s topic: what is Christian nationalism, and how does it compare to actual Christian discipleship? - Notes Pastor Greene recently spoke on the subject with Voices for Democracy. - Frames the question through recent events: Trump attacking the Pope at Easter, attacks on Robert Mueller after his death. - Asks: can we honestly say a president who behaves this way is following Christ as a disciple? 00:05:20 — Pastor Greene on His Voices for Democracy Article / Matthew 25 and the Black Church - Pastor Greene was invited to write an article on Christian nationalism’s silence regarding Matthew 25. - Matthew 25 is Jesus’s direct teaching: did you feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for strangers and the sick? Christian nationalists systematically avoid this passage. - Instead they cast poor people as victims of their own choices — a form of classism — pointing to Lt. Gov. Beckwith’s three-fifths remarks as a modern example. - The Black church, emerging from slavery, grounded its faith in a Jesus who lifts the oppressed and disenfranchised — the opposite of a Jesus wielded to maintain hierarchy. - Christian nationalism’s vision of Jesus is “completely opposite” of the Jesus who ministered to women, people with questionable pasts, and the woman caught in adultery. 00:10:01 — Rev. Alexander: Oppressors and the Oppressed Using the Same Faith - Rev. Alexander observes the historical paradox: enslaved people looked to Jesus for liberation while their oppressors used the same faith to keep them down. - People of faith trusted God even as that faith was weaponized against them. - Transitions to first caller. 00:10:38 — Caller: Anonymous — On the Word “Christian” and the White Church’s Silence - Caller identifies as a child of God and son of God, not a “Christian” — noting the word was originally used as an insult in New Testament times. - Points to January 6th imagery: the American flag, the Confederate flag, a Jesus flag, and a noose together — Jesus has nothing to do with nooses or racism. - Challenges the white church’s historical silence: on slavery, on interracial marriage, on racism — where was the church then, and why won’t it speak now? - Expresses concern that Black people are leaving for Islam in part because the church has failed to draw people with love. 00:13:09 — Response: The Silence of White Churches / Lt. Gov. Beckwith / Turning Point USA in Schools (Part 1) - Rev. Alexander clarifies: the Black church was doing the work — the caller’s critique is aimed at white church silence. - Pastor Greene agrees this silence must be confronted; the attacks by Trump and Vance on the Pope demand a response from the broader faith community. - Warns against honoring the flag over the Bible — nationalism dressing itself as faith. - Lt. Gov. Beckwith, himself a pastor, is actively teaching Christian nationalist ideas to his congregation. 00:17:00 — The Silence of White Churches / Turning Point USA in Schools (Part 2) / The Faith Community Must Respond - The governor’s plan to bring Turning Point USA clubs into middle and high schools is “extremely dangerous” — it teaches superiority, discrimination, and racism to children. - The double standard: slavery cannot be taught in schools, but Turning Point USA can come in and ignore Matthew 25. - The faith community that must respond is broad: Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Presbyterian, Muslim — not limited to any single denomination. - Christian nationalists want to be the sole authority on truth — even rejecting the Pope’s call for peace. 00:19:09 — Rev. Alexander: The Risk of Holy War - Rev. Alexander expresses fear that current rhetoric — what troops are being told, the framing of conflicts — is pushing the country toward a religious war, not just a geopolitical one. - The danger is a war defined not by nukes or oil but by competing faiths. 00:20:21 — [BREAK / Return] Caller: Tim — Black Economic Self-Determination and the Church - Tim argues Black people must stop supporting “racist clowns” and leave white churches that won’t speak up, returning to anointed Black churches. - Calls for pooling resources: Black doctors, Black lawyers, buying back community businesses — “hit them in the pocket.” - References John Reed’s killing on Michigan Avenue; notes few pastors showed up to protest. - Advocates for returning children to Sunday school, teaching Black history at home, requiring Black authors for school reports. - Tim is fifth generation married, father present — credits God, family, and community for keeping his children out of crime. 00:23:17 — Caller: Joyce — Chattel Slavery, Desensitization, and Community Alarms - Joyce builds on Tim’s comments, noting Black people were great long before American slavery — and weren’t even the first enslaved group - Describes Black people being treated as chattel and systematically desensitized through media narratives. - Mentions the jubilee tradition of debt forgiveness as a model worth noting. - Raises a local concern: tornado warning alarm systems in Indianapolis’s Black community aren’t working, and Fall Creek is rising. 00:24:55 — Response: Broadening the Fight Beyond the Black Church - Rev. Alexander notes the conversation has narrowed toward the Black community, but discipleship is broader — all followers of Christ, across all communities, must be in this together. - Pastor Greene agrees, noting Jews are often lumped in with Black people by the same forces — the fight belongs to the whole faith community. - Acknowledges Tim’s call for ownership and responsibility, while stressing the need for coalition with others. - The church’s declining attendance is real — parents who’ve left the church aren’t raising children in it — but that can’t be an excuse to ignore the crisis. 00:29:10 — Trump as a Spiritual Model? / Truth Social, the Pope, and Easter Golf - Pastor Greene: Christian nationalists dress up nationalism as faith, operating from a hierarchy in which whiteness is supreme. - Rev. Alexander: if Trump claims to be a Christian, ask him directly — is Jesus your Lord and Savior? Is Jesus your king? - Trump is plastering his own face across Washington and Florida, renaming bodies of water after himself, commissioning a golden statue. - On Easter, instead of attending church, Trump posted attacks on Truth Social, condemned the Pope, and played golf. - “That’s who you’re following as a disciple of Christ, folks. You need to find a better example.” 00:31:13 — [BREAK / Return] [CLIP: Trump] on Iran Negotiations - Rev. Alexander plays a clip of Trump being asked about American financial considerations in Iran negotiations. - Trump: “The only thing that matters... you cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That’s all. That’s the only thing.” - Rev. Alexander’s takeaway: he just told you he doesn’t think about you — your finances, your spiritual condition, none of it. 00:32:04 — Caller: Guy — Iran Assets, Pentagon Firings, and a YouTube Testimony - Guy notes Trump’s fixation on Obama and the Iran nuclear deal — points out the money sent to Iran was Iran’s own frozen assets, not a gift. - Suggests the Trump administration’s mass firing of Pentagon intelligence staff has left them ill-equipped to navigate the Strait of Hormuz situation. - Recommends listeners search YouTube for the story of a white Georgia farmer crushed under his tractor who reportedly received a message from Jesus Christ about the Black community. 00:33:57 — Caller: Imhotep — Humanism, Historical Context, and Why Young People Leave the Church (Part 1) - Imhotep reframes the question: rather than asking if Trump is a Christian, ask if he is humane — “the things he says and does are inhumane.” - Identifies as a humanist who has studied Buddhism’s four noble truths and eightfold path; argues shared humanity is a stronger unifying force than religion. - Invokes his grandmothers (101 in 2001; 97 in 2016): “ain’t nothing new under the sun.” - Historical walk: Black Codes (1700s), Bacon’s Rebellion (late 1600s), St. Augustine as first settlement before Jamestown, Gabriel Prosser, Denmark Vesey, John Brown and Harpers Ferry (1859). - The Puritans practiced a harsher form of Christianity in America than what they left behind in England — this behavior is not new. 00:37:17 — Caller: Imhotep — Why Young People Leave the Church (Part 2) / New BOY Mentoring - At a Center for Leadership Development meeting, Imhotep observed the crowd: 75% Black women, 25% Black men — men must be more engaged. - Three reasons young people aren’t in church: (1) single-parent homes where the working parent is at the hospital on Sundays; (2) young people are deconstructing — they read, they research on WorldCat and iCat, and they call out hypocrisy when a pastor rides a $200,000 Jag while the congregation eats cup noodles; (3) [implied: lack of male mentorship]. - His friend who runs New BOY (New Breed of Youth mentoring program) says you have to listen to young people. - Solution: show them — 25–30 years of coaching and mentoring, leading by example as “a simple human being.” 00:39:03 — Response: Adults Must Act Now / Refighting the Civil Rights Movement - Rev. Alexander refocuses: this moment requires adults to act — religious liberties for all faiths are under attack, even for self-described Christian nationalists who are still attacking Christians. - The cross-faith coalition that works in redistricting fights can work here too. - Pastor Greene: we are refighting the civil rights movement — the same forces that opposed voting rights, integration, and justice under Dr. King are back, more powerful. - The Bible warns: cast out a demon and it returns with greater numbers. That’s what we’re seeing. - The youth will be victims of this — they can’t lead the fight. Adults in the faith community must come to the table. 00:43:47 — White Christian Nationalism Is About Power, Not Service - Pastor Greene draws the sharpest contrast of the night: at the core of Christianity is service to others; white Christian nationalism is about gaining power over others. - They want power over Black people, Jewish people, poor people — the opposite of “fearfully and wonderfully made.” - Turning Point USA has moved from college campuses to middle and high schools — Charlie Kirk’s operation is spreading fast. - Some Black churchgoers migrate to white churches seeking proximity to power — sitting next to a senator or congressman feels like access — but that’s the wrong reason to choose a church. - Pastor Greene has personally challenged pastors: how do you reconcile Matthew 25 with criminalizing the homeless? 00:45:48 — Voting Rights, Redistricting, and Pastors Who Criminalize the Homeless - Rev. Alexander connects the dots: the same people who put their hands on Bibles at inauguration are stripping voting rights. - Within hours of the Supreme Court’s redistricting ruling, officials in ongoing elections moved to redraw lines and redo votes — unprecedented. - Pastor Greene: stopping an election midway is an act of pure power-seizure, not governance. - The president doesn’t want to give up Congress; minimizing the Black vote is the mechanism. - These actors aren’t heathens — they’re sitting in somebody’s church every Sunday morning. 00:50:17 — Closing: CICOA, IPS Funding Cuts, and What Discipleship Actually Looks Like - Rev. Alexander ties the abstract to the concrete: CICOA (Central Indiana Coalition on Aging) is about to go away — services for widows, elderly, and disabled Hoosiers disappearing. - Education funding is being cut from IPS. - The services that embody Matthew 25 — feeding, clothing, caring — are being stripped away in real time. - This is the difference between Christian nationalism and Christian discipleship: one seizes power, the other serves people. https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndyhttps://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy [https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. 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Concerned Clergy Podcast May 6,2026

https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] SUMMARY: The night after the May 5, 2026 Indiana primary, Rev. Tony Alexander and Pastor David W. Greene Sr. take stock of what the results mean for Indiana Democrats heading into November. Pastor Greene, himself a Senate candidate in the primary, reflects candidly on the experience of running a campaign before the conversation turns to the structural problem at the heart of Indiana Democratic politics: a Marion County electorate that turns out at 15% in primaries and needs to hit 45% or better to elect anyone statewide. The hosts walk through the numbers on voter turnout, the Secretary of State race, the Bayh name recognition question, Trump’s $13.5 million primary purge of redistricting dissenters, and what all of it means for down-ballot candidates like Kerry Forestal and Christina Moorhead. Listener comments from Gloria, Victor, Jill, Joseph, and caller Guy round out the discussion with on-the-ground perspective. Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE 00:00:00 — Opening and Replay Reminder - Rev. Alexander opens by reminding listeners they can catch the full show replay on the Progressive Indiana Network’s Substack the following morning. - He notes the Indiana primaries are effectively over, with only provisional and military ballots still pending. - He welcomes Pastor David W. Greene Sr. and sets up the evening’s focus: what happened in the primary and what work remains before November. - Pastor Greene opens in prayer for the listening and watching audience. 00:01:40 — Pastor Greene on Running for Senate - Rev. Alexander asks Pastor Greene — who ran for Senate in the primary — to share what the experience is like from a candidate’s perspective. - Pastor Greene reflects that running a campaign is a relentless grind: canvassing, responding to requests, preparing materials, and managing volunteers, all while still having to live your regular life. - He describes the emotional roller coaster — some days energized, some days drained — and says he was simply relieved when Election Day finally arrived. - He frames the outcome plainly: “nothing beats a failure but a try,” and says running taught him a great deal about himself, other people, and how the political machine actually operates. 00:05:38 — Volunteers vs. Voters: The Primary Turnout Problem - Rev. Alexander notes there was unusual volunteer energy for a primary, with lots of people standing behind candidates — but that enthusiasm didn’t translate into actual votes. - Pastor Greene explains the core disconnect: most people don’t understand that the primary determines who’s on the November ballot, not November itself. - He uses Senate District 29 as an example: roughly 10,000 people voted across all candidates in the primary, but winning in November will require 25,000 votes at minimum — and possibly close to 60,000 if participation trends continue upward. - The lesson: a small minority of voters determines the primary, while the overwhelming majority only shows up in November. 00:07:56 — Marion County by the Numbers - Rev. Alexander puts Marion County’s turnout in concrete terms: 632,000 registered voters, just over 15% participation in the primary — an improvement over past cycles, but still dismal. - He walks through the math: every additional 15 points of turnout doubles the effective voting pool, yet Marion County is still well below 50%. - Listener Gloria comments on Facebook that many people she encountered didn’t even understand what the primary was or what its purpose is. - Pastor Greene agrees, noting some residents saw campaign signs and assumed they were for November — they didn’t know a May election was happening at all. 00:09:27 — Why Turnout Is the Only Variable That Matters - Pastor Greene says he has no magic solution to the turnout problem, but points to contested races and national/state conditions as the drivers of the modest increase they did see. - He argues statewide candidates cannot win without Marion County turning out at 45% or better — a candidate can visit every county in Indiana and still lose if Marion Democrats stay home. - He uses Secretary of State Diego Morales as the cautionary case: Republicans were embarrassed by him and barely put him in public, yet he won because Marion County turnout was too low to overcome rural Republican numbers. - His bottom line: 15% primary turnout means 85% of Marion County Democrats didn’t participate — and that gap is what has consistently cost Democrats statewide races. 00:13:13 — Listener Feedback: The Voter Education Gap - Listener Gloria’s comment surfaces a deeper problem: voters who don’t know the difference between a primary and a general election, or an off-year and a presidential-year election. - Rev. Alexander says this is something you encounter constantly when canvassing — it’s not just apathy, it’s genuine lack of civic knowledge. - Pastor Greene agrees and says the work ahead isn’t just get-out-the-vote but voter education and preparation at a basic level. - Listener Victor comments that Democrats show up strong for the state convention but tank in November — Rev. Alexander says he’s heard this before, particularly the assumption that local Democrats don’t need to vote because their candidate is already safe. 00:15:32 — Post-Primary Division: Will Democrats Unify? - Pastor Greene raises the unity problem directly: before the election, he saw social media posts where people were asked whether they’d support the primary winner — and a lot of responses were “maybe” or “it all depends.” - He argues that failure to heal the primary divide will make it impossible to win in November, because you’re not winning anything with 15% turnout. - Statewide candidates need to not just win Marion County but win it by enough of a margin to overcome the rural Republican advantage — simply “getting” Marion County isn’t enough. - He uses SD-29 nominee Christina Moorhead as an example: she needs strong Democratic turnout specifically in the Pike and Wayne portions of Marion County, or she cannot win. 00:17:40 — Caller Guy: Reasons for Optimism - Caller Guy agrees with the hosts’ overall framing but argues 2026 will be different: Beau Bayh — Evan Bayh’s son — is presumed to be the Democratic nominee for Secretary of State after the June convention, and Guy believes the Bayh name will drive turnout among longtime Democrats and independents. - Guy also points to growing voter disenchantment with Trump’s economic record — gas prices, food prices, farm input costs — as a potential crossover motivator even among some Republicans. - He flags the massive Trump-aligned spending in the Indiana Republican primary as a signal of what’s at stake and notes that money was the mother’s milk of those one-issue anti-redistricting ads. - Rev. Alexander thanks Guy and flags that he’ll address the optimism — and the money — after the break. 00:21:51 — Back from Break: The $13.5 Million Primary Purge - Rev. Alexander reframes Guy’s optimism: the same forces that just spent $13.5 million — up from $250,000 last cycle, a 5,000% increase — to primary redistricting dissenters will not sit out November. - He argues Democrats cannot afford to run on the cheap and need real resources to support candidates, not assume passion alone carries the race. - Pastor Greene calls the spending a naked power play by private backers expecting a return on investment — not party money, but donors who want something specific in exchange. - Both hosts agree it sent a clear message to every Republican officeholder: cross Trump and you’re gone. 00:29:35 — What That Money Is Really Buying - Pastor Greene connects the primary purge directly to the 2027 redistricting cycle: the newly installed MAGA senators in rural districts are safe from Democratic challenge and will vote accordingly when the map comes up again. - He argues Trump funded these candidates specifically because redistricting was coming — the investment was never just about 2026, it was about locking in the 2027 vote. - Listener Gloria comments that campaign finance used to have rules and regulations — Rev. Alexander agrees and says the current environment is the wild, wild west. - Pastor Greene closes the thought: when someone spends that kind of money, they are committed to winning, and that money will be back in November. 00:32:48 — Candidate Visibility and the DNC Investment Question - Listener Jill raises two issues: candidates need to do more retail politics to introduce themselves to voters, and the national Democratic Party isn’t investing enough at the local level. - Rev. Alexander partially agrees but notes this primary season featured more candidate forums than he’s seen before — the problem wasn’t opportunity, it was whether voters showed up. - He also pushes back on the DNC framing: the $13.5 million in Republican ads didn’t come from the party — it came from individual donors making phone calls, and Democrats need to think the same way. - The Republican ads were simple one-issue attacks — “this person voted against redistricting, against Donald Trump” — effective precisely because they were that blunt. 00:36:18 — The Bayh Name Recognition Problem - Rev. Alexander raises a skepticism about the Bayh name that goes further than Guy’s optimism: voters who remember Birch and Evan are aging out, and younger voters and newer Indiana residents have no idea who the Bayhs are. - Pastor Greene fully agrees: the people who know the Bayh name are 40-plus; 20- and 30-year-olds don’t know the family at all, because it’s been over 20 years since Evan Bayh held office. - He warns that assuming name recognition will carry Beau Bayh is a miscalculation — he has to run a real campaign in Marion County, answering the basic voter questions: who is he, what will he do, why should I vote for him. - They both point to Evan Bayh’s own last race as a cautionary tale: a household name who lost because Marion County didn’t turn out at the level he needed. 00:39:33 — Healing the Primary Divide - Rev. Alexander frames the post-primary moment starkly: in this environment, the choice is MAGA or Democrat — there is no third lane — and any further Democratic fracturing is a direct gift to Republicans. - He says it doesn’t matter which candidate you supported in the primary; the entire party is now the concern, and unity is non-negotiable. - Pastor Greene puts it on party leadership: what happens over the summer — the conversations, the planning, the direction-setting — will determine whether Indiana Democrats can capitalize on a potentially favorable national environment. - He contrasts MAGA’s structural advantage — one leader, one message, unified turnout — with the Democratic reality of multiple leaders who must coordinate deliberately rather than following a single signal. 00:42:58 — Know Your Candidates: Voter Research and Campaign Finance - Listener Joseph comments that voters need to verify and trust — do the homework, know the candidates before November. - Rev. Alexander expands on this: for statewide races especially, if you can’t meet the candidate in person, look up their record — how they voted, what they supported, what they said they’d take away. - He argues the campaign finance picture is part of that research: when $13.5 million floods into a primary, people should be asking right then where it came from, not just reporting the number. - Pastor Greene agrees: anyone spending that kind of money is expecting a return on investment, and voters deserve to know what that return is. 00:45:05 — Trump’s Loyalty Demand and the Long Game on Redistricting - Pastor Greene lays out the long-term implication: the Trump-backed candidates who won their rural primaries are essentially in office now — Democrats aren’t beating them in November. - Those five or more new MAGA legislators will be in place for the 2027 redistricting vote, which is exactly what the spending was designed to achieve. - Rev. Alexander adds that Trump has said out loud that judges he appoints should be loyal to him — nobody should be surprised that legislators he funds are equally beholden. - Pastor Greene notes Indiana Senate leadership itself could shift as a result, since the new members tip the internal balance further toward the MAGA faction. 00:47:35 — Door-Knocking vs. Social Media: What Actually Works? - Listener Jill advocates for candidates going old school — events, door-knocking, direct voter contact — and Rev. Alexander asks Pastor Greene to weigh in from his own primary experience. - Pastor Greene says door-knocking has a 10% hit rate at best: safety concerns, ring doorbells, and general reluctance mean only one in ten people will actually open the door. - He says you still have to do it — leaving material and showing you were there matters — but the kitchen-table conversation of the old days is largely gone. - The answer isn’t one silver bullet: you need events, door-knocking, social media, texts, emails, and mailers all at once, and you just hope enough of it lands. 00:50:30 — Closing: Make Your Plan to Vote Now - Rev. Alexander thanks Pastor Greene for his efforts during the primary season and acknowledges there is still a lot of work ahead. - He closes with the same message the show started the year with: don’t wait until November — make your plan to vote now. - He reminds listeners the show replay will be available on the Progressive Indiana Network’s Substack the following morning. - Pastor Greene and Rev. Alexander sign off and wish the audience a blessed week. https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndyhttps://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy [https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. 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Concerned Clergy Podcast April 29, 2026

https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] SUMMARY: Six days out from Indiana’s May 5 primary, Rev. Tony Alexander and Pastor David W. Greene Sr. open the program by responding to the day’s Supreme Court ruling allowing Louisiana to redraw its congressional maps and undoing major parts of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 — a decision both hosts frame not as a legal matter but as a moral one, arguing it effectively dismantles the practical enforcement mechanisms of the civil rights law. They connect the ruling to a broader pattern of voter suppression targeting minorities, women, and immigrants, and make the case that the primary is the most urgent available response. The hosts then shift to Indianapolis’s ongoing data center controversy, criticizing the city’s first Department of Metropolitan Development community listening session as a performative “check the box” exercise that left residents more frustrated than before. In the final segment, Pastor Greene — a candidate for Indiana Senate District 29 — makes his closing pitch to voters in Pike and Wayne Township and the district’s suburban reaches into Boone and Hamilton counties, framing his affordability-first platform as a moral response to Indiana’s $22 billion budget and the federal cuts bearing down on seniors and people with disabilities. The program closes with details on a Souls to the Polls bus effort departing from five Indianapolis churches this Sunday, May 3. Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE 00:00:00 Open / Disclaimer / Station ID 00:00:43 Welcome & Introduction - Rev. Alexander opens six days out from the Indiana primary; introduces Pastor Greene - Pastor Greene offers opening prayer 00:02:11 Supreme Court Voting Rights Ruling — Overview - Rev. Alexander summarizes the day’s Supreme Court decision on Louisiana redistricting - Court ruled maps drawn along racial lines are impermissible but maps drawn along party lines are not - Pastor Greene frames the ruling as a moral issue, not merely a legal one - Indiana cited as already ranking near last in voter participation 00:05:24 What the Ruling Means — Urgency for the Primary - Rev. Alexander argues this is the most critical moment for voters who feel their voice doesn’t count - Two states had already announced plans to redraw maps within hours of the ruling - Pastor Greene invokes “the urgency of now”; connects low turnout to political emboldening 00:08:12 Dismantling the Voting Rights Act — The “Third Leg” Argument - Rev. Alexander describes the ruling as kicking out the third leg of a stool — the Act itself survives but its enforcement mechanisms are gone - Pastor Greene warns of a return to pre-Voting Rights Act conditions - Discussion of new documentation requirements targeting women who have changed their names 00:09:54 Who Stands to Lose Voting Rights - Rev. Alexander tallies affected groups: Black voters, women, immigrants with prior voting rights - Pastor Greene argues the endgame is a electorate reduced to predominantly white male voters - Discussion of how manufactured difficulty — lines, documentation, eliminated early voting — functions as suppression 00:12:38 Caller — Guy - Guy calls in with a historical perspective, noting the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence - References King Charles’s address to Congress the previous day on checks and balances and the Magna Carta - Expresses optimism that overreach will backfire, citing Lincoln’s “you can’t fool all of the people all of the time” - Predicts Congress flips back in the midterms 00:14:58 Response to Caller / Indiana Redistricting Risk - Rev. Alexander thanks Guy, appreciates his optimism - Raises prospect of Indiana revisiting its own maps now that Supreme Court has given cover - Pastor Greene warns Trump will move urgently before November — redistricting, mail-in ballots, early voting all on the table 00:17:20 From “Possible” to “Probable” — Federal Election Infrastructure - Rev. Alexander upgrades the threat from possible to probable - Describes White House as effectively drafting model legislation for Republican states to follow - Predicts a rapid cascade of state-level map challenges heading to the Supreme Court before November - Pastor Greene argues Trump’s goal is controlling who votes, not just who wins; raises J.D. Ford vs. Victoria Spartz in IN-5 as example of a race that becomes unwinnable without voting access 00:20:00 Executive Order on Mail-in Ballots / Break Tease - Rev. Alexander describes Trump’s executive order directing the post office to control mail ballot distribution while simultaneously cutting the postal budget - Teases data center segment after the break --- [COMMERCIAL BREAK] --- 00:21:19 Indianapolis Data Centers — DMD Listening Session - Rev. Alexander reports on DMD’s first community listening session on data center guardrails, held the previous day - Reaction was uniformly negative — attendees said nothing new was presented and no real input was taken - Pastor Greene calls it a “check the box” meeting — the community was invited but not heard 00:24:24 City Council’s Missed Opportunity - Rev. Alexander recounts how Councilor Jesse Brown’s earlier resolution to establish data center guardrails was voted down by council - City then returned to the community asking for input after having already rejected a formal process - Pastor Greene calls out the Black councilors who opposed Brown’s resolution and have not yet presented the “better plan” they promised 00:26:44 Political Stakes — Data Centers and the 2027 Mayor’s Race - Pastor Greene argues data center frustration is compounding with gas prices and other economic pain - Warns councilpersons that silence on this issue is being noted and will matter in 2027 municipal elections - Rev. Alexander agrees: this is one of the most-watched issues in the city right now 00:28:16 Caller — Reverend Phillips - Reverend Phillips calls in briefly on the Supreme Court ruling and voting rights - Frames the moment in spiritual terms — calls on believers to pray and seek God - Rev. Alexander closes the call warmly and takes the break --- [COMMERCIAL BREAK] --- 00:30:34 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Pastor Greene’s Closing Pitch - Rev. Alexander introduces Pastor Greene as a candidate for Indiana Senate District 29 - Pastor Greene frames his candidacy as a moral response to what he calls egregious conduct at the statehouse - Describes Indiana’s $22 billion budget as a moral document; cites seniors choosing between medicine and meals, CCDF childcare voucher gaps, and underfunded public schools 00:33:27 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Federal Cuts Coming to the State - Rev. Alexander raises proposed changes to Supplemental Security Income — benefit reductions for disabled people living with family members - Pastor Greene confirms SSI cuts are coming and shares what he’s heard across his district: retired people who did everything right now facing impossible financial pressure - Argues seniors and people with disabilities deserve to age with dignity and stay in their homes 00:35:40 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Cross-Aisle Optimism - Rev. Alexander asks whether Indiana Democrats can find Republican partners - Pastor Greene points to Governor Braun’s $200 million one-time childcare fund as evidence — driven by Republican business community pressure, not Democratic lobbying, after 311+ childcare closures statewide - Argues a broad urban-suburban-rural coalition — chambers of commerce, United Way, women-led organizations, faith community — can move the needle on affordability in the 2027 budget 00:37:55 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Shared Economic Pain Across Party Lines - Rev. Alexander argues school funding, disability care, and food prices affect everyone regardless of race or party - Pastor Greene: “They don’t charge me any more when I walk in the grocery store because I’m Black” - Raises rural voters whose hospitals have closed and who now travel 100 miles for care at $4+ gas 00:40:52 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Farmers and Tariffs - Rev. Alexander reports Wisconsin and Michigan farmers are choosing not to plant this spring due to tariff uncertainty and product markets collapsing - Pastor Greene argues those farmers didn’t vote expecting this outcome — and their pain may shift their politics - Notes Trump is pushing federal fallout down to the state level, increasing pressure on the governor heading into his reelection 00:42:40 SD-29 Candidate Segment — Closing Argument - Rev. Alexander asks Greene for his closing message to SD-29 voters - Greene: affordability first, fighting to protect Eagle Creek, bringing a track record of coalition work from business to faith-based community - Campaign slogan: “Don’t be mean, vote for Green” - Distinguishes himself from opponents on experience — points voters to his public record on education, health care, and redistricting 00:45:51 SD-29 District Geography - Rev. Alexander asks Greene to define the district for voters unsure if they’re in it - Greene: formerly J.D. Ford’s seat — Pike and Wayne Township, east to I-465, south to Raceway Road, plus Zionsville (Boone County) and West Carmel (Hamilton County) up to 146th Street - Describes it as a gerrymandered district the GOP never expected a Democrat to win 00:47:19 Souls to the Polls — Sunday, May 3 - Rev. Alexander asks about the Souls to the Polls effort - Pastor Greene: five churches participating this Sunday; buses donated by Cameron Riddle’s bus company; departing from Purpose of Life at noon - Participating churches: Purpose of Life, Antioch, Fountain of Grace, Eastside Baptist, St. John’s Missionary Baptist, Olivet Baptist - Churches traveling to the City-County Building to vote early; no church membership required - To join or add a church: contact Kara Johnson at 317-869-7367 - Greene commits to repeating the effort in November 00:50:11 Closing / Sign-Off - Rev. Alexander urges listeners to bring elderly family members to a participating church for the bus - Thanks Pastor Greene for his campaign labor; thanks listening and viewing audience - Sign-off: Concerned Clergy Radio Show, Praise AM 1310 / 95.1 FM, Indy’s Inspiration Station https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndyhttps://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy [https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Progressive Indiana Network at www.progressiveindiana.net/subscribe [https://www.progressiveindiana.net/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Concerned Clergy Podcast April 22, 2026

https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] SUMMARY: Rev. Tony Alexander opens the program with a wide-ranging discussion of data center proliferation across Marion County townships, pressing lawmakers for the guardrails they declined to put in place months earlier. Pike Township Trustee Annette Johnson joins to explain the trustee office’s emergency assistance role and her reelection campaign. In the second half, Concerned Clergy President Pastor David W. Greene Sr. returns to discuss the grassroots momentum pushing politicians on data centers, Governor Braun’s signing of a public camping ban, and Greene’s own affordability-first state legislative campaign. The program closes with voting reminders ahead of the May 5th primary. Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE 00:00:27 Introduction and how to tune in - Listeners can tune in live Wednesday nights at 7pm on Praise AM 1310 / 95.1 FM, Facebook, or YouTube (Concerned Clergy of Indianapolis page). - Call-in number: 317-480-1310. 00:01:58 Data centers: Carson announces legislation, council proposes guardrails - Congressman André Carson announced today that he will introduce legislation related to data centers, with details expected tomorrow. - The city-county council is also now proposing guardrails — something Alexander notes they had the opportunity to do when they voted on the Metrobloks data center in Martindale Brightwood and declined. - Alexander points out that Councilor Jesse Brown proposed transparency measures in the Democratic caucus and was voted down, only for colleagues to now embrace the same idea months later. - Community asks include: transparency on facility size, energy usage and demand, infrastructure impacts, and binding community benefit agreements. 00:05:25 Townships fighting alone — and what comes next - Communities in Decatur, Franklin Township, Pike Township, and Martindale Brightwood are all battling data center proposals with no coordinated legislative cover. - Alexander argues the burden fell unfairly on individual councilors like Jesse Brown while the broader caucus stayed silent. - A DC Blox data center meeting is scheduled for next Monday at Downey Avenue Christian Church, 111 South Downey Street (Council District 14), hosted by City-County Councilor Andy Nielsen; livestreamed as well — search “DC Blox” (B-L-O-X) to register. 00:09:04 Voting reminders: Marion County primary - Mail-in ballot application deadline: Thursday, April 23 at 11:59 PM. - Satellite early voting locations open this Saturday at township government centers in Decatur, Franklin, Perry, and Warren townships. - Pike Township early voting: Pike Township Public Library, Fort Ben branch library, Krannert Park, and St. Luke’s United Methodist Church (86th Street). - City-County Building early voting already open; closes May 4 at noon. - Election Day: May 5th. 00:12:04 Guest: Annette Johnson, Pike Township Trustee — role and funding - Johnson is in her eighth year as trustee (second four-year term), having previously served 14 years on the township board. - The trustee’s office provides emergency assistance — utilities, mortgage, rent, clothing, school uniforms, food vouchers, diapers, and supplies for expectant mothers — funded entirely by the local township tax base. - Pike Township is one of only three Marion County townships with a standalone fire department, which makes up the largest share of its budget. - To qualify: must live in the township (verified by zip code), present ID, and document an emergency that occurred within the past 30 days — layoff, hours cut, medical leave, or fire damage. 00:17:13 Federal and state funding cuts: pressure on the trustee’s office - Alexander raises the concern that federal and state funding sources are disappearing — will trustees have to absorb the slack? - Johnson says the office hasn’t hit that wall yet but predicts it within two to three years. - She is building relationships with churches and community organizations now to help fill any future void. - Johnson notes the township’s budget is fixed to the local tax base across three areas: emergency assistance, small claims court, and the fire department. 00:22:19 Top issue: utility bills / How the 30-day rule works - The number one presenting issue right now is utility bills, which Johnson calls out of control. - Johnson works with the Winter Assistance Fund (WAF) — she matches WAF’s $800 contribution from township funds, reducing a $2,000 bill to $1,600, for example. - Johnson’s goal is to pay the full balance so clients leave with a zero balance; she pays senior citizens’ bills in full without exception. - The 30-day rule refers to a qualifying emergency within the last 30 days — typically a pending disconnection notice, not the age of the debt itself. - Johnson does not cover reconnection deposits — only pre-disconnection balances; she called on state legislators to update the restrictive guidelines governing trustee assistance levels. 00:26:29 Re-election pitch and campaign contact info - Johnson’s three-part platform: protect the Pike Township Fire Department, expand innovative assistance programs, and be a powerful community voice. - Community priorities she’ll advocate for beyond the trustee role: opposing data centers, Save Eagle Creek, and keeping charter schools out of Pike Township in favor of public schools. - She recently held an essential goods giveaway with Walmart donations and plans to continue community-facing events. - Contact: AnnetteJohnson2026.com | 317-418-7801 00:30:38 Pastor David W. Greene Sr. joins: Data centers and grassroots pressure - Greene attributes the recent pivot by Carson and the city-county council to sustained grassroots pressure, not top-down leadership — politicians are recalculating mid-election. - Save Eagle Creek yard signs are now ubiquitous across Pike Township; Greene notes the coalition organized entirely from the bottom up. - Decatur Township residents have filed a lawsuit over the rezoning of a data center there; a new data center was also announced on another side of Indianapolis. - Greene called out the Council’s treatment of Brightwood residents who came to speak at a recent hearing involving Councilor Ron Gibson. - Greene praised Trustee Johnson for going beyond her job description to fight on data centers, Eagle Creek, and public education. 00:35:24 Community benefit agreements and the DC Blox meeting - Alexander lays out what communities are asking for: transparency on size, energy demand, and infrastructure impacts, plus binding community benefit agreements before any approval. - Greene agrees: “It’s time out for trying to do something to the community and not with the community.” - Greene draws a distinction — not all politicians are on the wrong side; Johnson is an example of an elected official going above and beyond her role to fight for the community. - A DC Blox data center meeting is scheduled for next Monday at Downey Avenue Christian Church, 111 South Downey Street (Council District 14), hosted by City-County Councilor Andy Nielsen; the meeting will also be livestreamed — search “DC Blox” (B-L-O-X) to register. 00:39:18 Governor Braun’s public camping ban: homelessness is a condition, not a crime - Governor Mike Braun signed legislation banning public camping across Indiana — targeted, both hosts note, primarily at Indianapolis. - Greene: homelessness is not a crime, it’s a condition — and conditions require solutions, not punishment. - A $500 fine and Class C misdemeanor won’t solve homelessness; Greene argues it will deepen it by damaging credit and creating warrant exposure for people who can’t pay or appear in court. - Greene serves on the Mayor’s Leadership Council on Homelessness and calls for expanding affordable housing, mental health care, addiction treatment, and employment pathways instead. 00:44:06 The moral argument: money isn’t the problem, will is - Greene challenges the “we don’t have the money” framing — the state is simultaneously pursuing the Chicago Bears stadium and handing out decades-long tax breaks to data centers. - Alexander adds: federal spending on war and other priorities dwarfs what it would cost to fund early childhood care, Medicaid, and homeless services. - The fastest-growing homeless population, Greene notes, is women with children — meaning the law risks family separation on top of everything else. - Greene: “Becoming homeless is not a crime. It’s a condition. It’s not a crime. It never has been.” 00:47:29 Pastor Greene’s state legislative campaign - Green is running on an affordability-first platform in a district covering Wayne Township, Pike, Zionsville, and West Carmel. - Key pressures he hears across the district: unaffordable childcare, inaccessible healthcare, seniors rationing medication, renters and homeowners unable to keep up with rising costs. - Additional priorities: fully funding public education, saving Eagle Creek (Green lives near the reservoir and warns an environmental accident from data center water usage is a matter of when, not if). 00:50:42 Closing and voting reminder - Alexander repeats all early voting locations and deadlines. - Mail-in ballot application closes Thursday April 23 at 11:59 PM; Election Day is May 5th. https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndyhttps://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy [https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. 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Concerned Clergy Podcast April 15, 2026

https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] SUMMARY: Rev. Tony Alexander opens the hour with two threads running in parallel: the ongoing fallout from DOGE’s dismantling of USAID, anchored by newly public deposition testimony and a whistleblower memoir, and a preview of Indiana-focused topics — education funding under attack at both the state and local levels, Governor Braun’s about-face on child care vouchers, and the newly formed Indianapolis Public Education Corporation (IPEC) board. President Pastor David W. Green Sr. joins at the half-hour to expand on the child care and education crises, pushing back hard on any framing of Braun’s $200 million announcement as a rescue rather than a partial correction of damage he helped cause. Two callers weigh in — one connecting DOGE’s data access to a personal identity theft incident in his household, the other asking whether Indianapolis’s Black community has a pathway into the tech jobs being promised around incoming data centers. Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. WHAT’S INSIDE 00:00:26 Introduction and opening prayer - Rev. Alexander welcomes listeners, directs them to the PIN Substack for replays, and opens with prayer. 00:01:38 Topic preview: DOGE, the USAID whistleblower, and Indiana education - Rev. Alexander previews the night’s agenda: Trump posting images of himself as the Messiah; Nicholas Enrich’s new book “Into the Wood Chipper,” a whistleblower account of DOGE’s takeover of USAID; education under attack at the state and local levels; and Governor Braun’s $200 million child care announcement. 00:03:51 DOGE and the destruction of USAID - Rev. Alexander walks through DOGE’s origin — Elon Musk arriving within 45 days of Trump’s inauguration, promising to cut waste, fraud, and abuse with a chainsaw — and notes that Musk was effectively gone by May 2025 after a public feud with Trump, leaving extensive damage behind at USAID, Social Security, and elsewhere. - Rev. Alexander describes Enrich’s account of DOGE staffers arriving at USAID in their early 20s, with no relevant experience, and using ChatGPT to run keyword searches for “diversity,” “equity,” and “inclusion” as the sole method for identifying grants to cut — eliminating programs on the basis of word matches alone, including a Holocaust documentary and plant biodiversity research. - Rev. Alexander emphasizes USAID’s role in containing disease outbreaks globally before they become pandemics, and cites estimates that nearly a million children have already died as a result of the aid cutoff, with that number potentially rising into the millions. 00:07:02 [NBC News clip — DOGE deposition testimony] - NBC News correspondent Julie Tsirkin reports on deposition videos from a civil lawsuit filed by humanities organizations, alleging DOGE violated the First Amendment by canceling more than 1,400 arts, history, and education grants. - Former DOJ staffer Justin Fox testifies that he flagged a Holocaust documentary as DEI-related; he acknowledged using ChatGPT to identify programs to eliminate. - Former DOGE staffer Nathan Kavanaugh states the goal was to eliminate the federal deficit, then acknowledges under questioning that DOGE did not reduce the deficit. DOGE claimed $150–$180 billion in savings before it ceased to exist. 00:09:08 Rev. Alexander reacts to the clip - Rev. Alexander highlights that the deposition footage shows DOGE staffers unable to define DEI in their own words — one citing only the executive order — and connects this to the broader pattern of unqualified young operatives being handed authority over agencies they knew nothing about. - Rev. Alexander notes that the deposition videos were originally posted to YouTube, taken down following a judge’s order after Fox reported harassment and death threats, but remain accessible through backup sources. He addresses caller LME’s implied question by noting that the DEI rationale was applied mechanically, with no actual evaluation of program merit. 00:21:35 Break / Pastor David W. Green Sr. joins - Rev. Alexander welcomes President Pastor David W. Green Sr. to the program. 00:23:08 Caller #1 — DOGE data access and identity theft - Caller #1 argues that the most underreported story from the DOGE depositions is not the DEI keyword searches but the fact that DOGE operatives accessed the personal data of every American — Social Security numbers, addresses, birthdates, medical records — and raises the question of what Elon Musk, who recently crossed $800 billion in net worth, would want with that data. - Caller #1 shares that his wife received a fraud alert the previous week: someone had applied for a credit card in his name using her Social Security number — an incident he directly connects to DOGE’s data access. He urges listeners to stay engaged and vote, noting that Republicans have won only one special election since Trump took office. 00:26:11 Caller #2 (LME) — Data centers, community inclusion, and tech jobs - LME references the recent shooting at a city councilman’s home tied to the data center controversy and asks whether Indianapolis’s Black community has a real pathway into IT and programming jobs connected to incoming data centers, noting that most corporate databases are already managed offshore. - Pastor Greene responds that opponents of the data centers were never against technology or economic development — they were against being cut out of the conversation entirely. He draws on his own background in data centers in the 1990s to push back on the job-creation narrative, noting that a data center at night runs on one or two people; real community opportunity lies in construction and trades, not operations. - Pastor Greene also connects the pattern to other top-down Indianapolis development decisions — the LEAP district, Eagle Creek water extraction — where community engagement came too late and created unnecessary friction, including the violence he explicitly condemns. 00:32:08 Governor Braun and the child care crisis - Pastor Greene takes on Governor Braun’s $200 million child care announcement directly, arguing Braun should receive no credit for partially restoring what he helped destroy: CCDF vouchers have not been issued for going on 18 months, more than 311 daycares have closed since September, the YMCA’s child care operation shut down when the rates were cut, and thousands of families remain without access even under the new announcement. - Pastor Greene identifies the three priority groups for the new funding — foster care parents, child care workers, and a third group he could not recall — and notes that this is a short-term fix with no guarantee of continuation; the real test is the 2027 budget session. - Rev. Alexander adds that Braun moved only because the closures started hitting his own constituent base, with over 300 daycares shuttered and the damage spreading beyond the communities the legislation originally targeted. - Pastor Greene argues the deeper cost is the workforce and developmental pipeline: parents forced to stay home rather than work, children entering kindergarten without structured early learning, and a cohort that will struggle to pass IREAD-3 by third grade as a result. 00:42:39 Indianapolis education funding and the IPEC referendum - Rev. Alexander and Pastor Greene discuss the newly formed Indianapolis Public Education Corporation (IPEC) board, which held its first meeting and is already moving toward a referendum to replace the expiring IPS referendum — which ends in November and covers IPS and charter schools alike. - Pastor Greene says the board is targeting August 1 to get a referendum question on the ballot, but notes the board has met only once, has no executive director yet, and is already talking about how much money it needs before it has a clear picture of what it needs the money for — a dynamic Rev. Alexander compares directly to DOGE walking into USAID. - Pastor Greene argues the deal has already been cut behind closed doors and the community rollout is just being managed, but notes that economic conditions — inflation, gas prices, the possibility of ongoing military conflict — could tank voter support regardless of how the ask is framed. He extends the warning beyond Indianapolis: Zionsville, Carmel, and townships throughout the region are all facing referendums of their own. 00:49:48 Closing / next week preview - Rev. Alexander thanks listeners and callers and announces that Pike Township Trustee Annette Johnson will join the program next week. https://concernedclergy.org [https://concernedclergy.org] https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndyhttps://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy [https://www.facebook.com/ClergyIndy] https://progressiveindiana.net [https://progressiveindiana.net] Progressive Indiana Network is proud to distribute the Concerned Clergy Podcast. Help us continue to bring you more content like this by becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Progressive Indiana Network at www.progressiveindiana.net/subscribe [https://www.progressiveindiana.net/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]