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A $1.5B Real Estate Bet on Aging America with Laurie Schultz, Principal & Co-Founder at Avenue, Viva Bene

46 min · 21. apr. 2026
episode A $1.5B Real Estate Bet on Aging America with Laurie Schultz, Principal & Co-Founder at Avenue, Viva Bene cover

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In this episode, I sat down with Laurie Schultz, Principal & Co-Founder at Avenue, Viva Bene to discuss how aging demographics are reshaping real estate and why traditional senior living is due for a major transformation. Laurie shared her journey from growing up in St. Louis to building a career across apartments, healthcare real estate, and senior housing. She has helped develop more than $1.5 billion of projects and now focuses on solving one of the biggest unmet needs in housing. We also talked about how entrepreneurship often starts long before people realize it. Laurie explained why many older adults do not identify with the traditional senior living model and how that gap created the opportunity for active adult communities. We broke down Avenue’s Viva Bene concept, which combines age-restricted housing, social connection, and preventive healthcare services. She also shared how AI is changing development, why construction labor remains a challenge, and how housing could eventually become part of healthcare reimbursement models. This conversation is a masterclass in spotting demographic trends early and building around real human needs. Connect with the Host Twitter: ⁠twitter.com/ItsRajTut⁠⁠ [http://twitter.com/ItsRajTut%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0] LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajtut/⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajtut/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0] Instagram: ⁠instagram.com/ItsRajTut⁠ [http://instagram.com/ItsRajTut%E2%81%A0] TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@itsrajtut [https://www.tiktok.com/@itsrajtut] Connect with the Guest LinkedIn: Laurie Schultz, CCIM [https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurie-schultz-ccim-a1636445?utm_source=chatgpt.com] Website: Avenue Development [https://avenuedev.com/people/laurie-schultz/?utm_source=chatgpt.com] Company Updates: Avenue LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/avenue-dev_our-principal-and-co-founder-laurie-schultz-activity-7445140768652165120-wa_c?utm_source=chatgpt.com] Timestamps for Key Segments 00:00 Why traditional senior living is changing 01:14 Introducing Laurie Schultz and Avenue 01:56 Growing up in St. Louis and first career steps 04:19 How entrepreneurship developed early 06:33 Entering healthcare and senior housing real estate 09:10 Aging in place vs moving to senior living 10:07 Building Avenue through medical office projects 14:31 Expanding into development, construction, and investment 19:20 How AI is changing real estate development 21:54 Why Viva Bene was created 25:21 Why St. Louis became the first pilot market 32:19 Early leasing success and expansion plans 37:23 Challenges facing senior living today 39:35 Designing active adult communities differently 44:21 Laurie’s day-to-day and long-term mission This podcast is brought to you by Storyboard Living. If you're looking to sell us a 40+ unit multifamily property in the St. Louis region, or another part of MO/IL, please email deals@storyboardliving.comConnect with us at our Website: https://storyboardliving.com/ [https://storyboardliving.com/] LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/company/storyboard-living/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/storyboard-living/]

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