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Diverge & Disrupt

Podcast by Liz Vossenkemper, The Neurodivergent NP

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Health & personal development

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About Diverge & Disrupt

Welcome to Diverge & Disrupt with Liz Vossenkemper, a neurodivergent nurse practitioner passionate about reshaping the narrative around autism, ADHD, and developmental disabilities. This podcast dives into the hard, nuanced conversations about raising neurodivergent kids, building affirming communities, and challenging outdated norms. With real talk, expert insights, and lived experiences, Liz creates a safe space for everyone to feel seen, valued, and supported. Let’s disrupt old systems and design a more inclusive future—together.

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13 episodes

episode Our Autism Journey: Building Community Better - Together artwork

Our Autism Journey: Building Community Better - Together

In this heartfelt episode, Liz sits down with longtime autism advocate, parent, and nurse Melissa Brooks to talk about Our Autism Journey, the second annual autism community event happening on Saturday, April 12th at the Benton County Fairgrounds in Eastern Washington. This event isn’t just a walk or resource fair—it’s a community experience designed by and for autistic individuals, their families, and allies. Liz and Melissa share how the event grew from a dream into an inclusive, vibrant, and safe celebration for people of all ages and support levels. From low-sensory spaces to Nerf wars, toddler play zones to expert panels—this is a place for everyone. You’ll hear Melissa’s personal journey parenting three autistic kids, including her high-support daughter Abby, and how that experience has shaped her dedication to inclusion and connection. Liz and Melissa also talk about planning the event with intention, joy, and just a little chaos—and how community can truly be the antidote to isolation. Whether your kiddo can only handle 15 minutes or wants to stay all day, you belong here. Event Info – Our Autism Journey 2025 🗓 Saturday, April 12 🕙 10 AM – 3 PM 📍 Benton County Fairgrounds 💸 FREE ENTRY (no registration required!) ☀️ All ages and all support needs welcome Get Involved + Learn More * Event Page: www.ourautismjourney.org [http://www.ourautismjourney.org/] * Facebook Page: facebook.com/ourautismjourneyTC [https://www.facebook.com/ourautismjourneyTC] Highlights from the Episode * Why “Our Autism Journey” is more than a walk—it's a living, breathing experience * Creating a space for high support needs, low sensory needs, and everything in between * Dance parties, quiet zones, petting zoos, food trucks, Nerf wars, and beyond * The role of joy, tacos, and radical inclusion in showing what community can be * What happens when families, providers, and autistic people come together with heart Key Takeaways * Inclusion doesn’t require perfection—just thoughtfulness and effort * Community is the solution to isolation * There’s no wrong way to attend: show up as you are, for as long as works for you * Every person—every need, every age, every vibe—has a place at this event Volunteer Info We always need volunteers, especially for setup and teardown. If you want to be part of something beautiful, fun, and community-driven, reach out through the event website or Facebook!

4 Apr 2025 - 36 min
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PART 2 "Am I a bad kid again?" - Navigating an ADHD diagnosis

Ep 5 -Part 2 In this honest and relatable conversation, Liz and Maggie continue their discussion about parenting neurodivergent kids with ADHD and anxiety. From navigating the ups and downs of medication to advocating in school systems that aren’t built for kids who show up differently, this episode dives into what it really looks like to parent with curiosity, imperfection, and a whole lot of love. You’ll hear about: * The emotional side of starting (and stopping) ADHD medications * How anxiety and masking often show up differently in girls * What it means to medicate for the child, not for the system * Why understanding your own neurodivergence matters as a parent If you're raising or working with neurodivergent kids — or just curious what that looks like behind closed doors — this one’s for you. Real talk, no shame, and a reminder that you're not alone.

3 Apr 2025 - 48 min
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"Am I a bad kid again?" - Navigating an ADHD diagnosis Ep. 5 (PART 1)

One Parent’s Journey with their child's ADHD In this episode of Diverge & Disrupt, Liz Vossenkemper sits down with her best friend of 13 years, Maggie McCain, a board-certified family nurse practitioner from St. Louis, Missouri. Maggie shares her family’s journey navigating her son Ellis’s ADHD diagnosis — from early behavioral concerns to the long road of seeking answers, understanding interventions, and advocating for the right kind of support. Together, Liz and Maggie reflect on the emotional rollercoaster many parents ride when trying to get help for their children: the stigma, the delays, the judgment, and the heartbreaking moments when your child begins to internalize messages that something is "wrong" with them. They discuss the nuance in deciding on medication, the gaps in primary care, the reality of co-parenting through it all, and Maggie vulnerably shares the emotional toll of watching your child struggle in systems not built for neurodivergent kids. Maggie shares honest insights about what worked, what didn’t, and the moment she finally felt at peace with the diagnosis — not because she gave in to it, but because she finally had gathered enough information and evidence to move forward with confidence. Topics Covered: * Early signs of ADHD in Ellis * Behavior struggles in the traditional classroom settings * The impact of teacher bias * Barriers to diagnosis and support in healthcare and schools * Co-parenting and divorced household perspectives * ADHD medication: how to decide? * The emotional toll of constant behavioral feedback * Building a toolbox beyond just meds * Helping kids rebuild their internal narrative Commonly Referenced Terms (defined simply): * ADHD (Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder): A neurodevelopmental condition that affects focus, impulse control, and activity levels. * Executive Functioning: Mental skills that help with planning, organizing, remembering, and regulating behavior. * 504 Plan: A school plan that provides accommodations for students with disabilities to ensure equal access to education. * IEP (Individualized Education Program): A more in-depth legal plan for students with qualifying disabilities, providing specialized instruction and services. * Impulsivity: Acting without thinking through consequences, often seen in kids with ADHD. * Vanderbilt Forms: Standardized ADHD screening tools used by clinicians and educators to assess symptoms across different settings. * Stimulant Medication: A class of medications commonly used to treat ADHD (e.g., methylphenidate or amphetamines) by increasing dopamine/norepinephrine in the brain. Recommended Websites & Resources for Parents: * CHADD.org (Children and Adults with ADHD) [https://chadd.org/] – Advocacy, education, and local support groups * Understood.org [https://understood.org/] – Resources for learning and thinking differences * ADDitude Magazine [https://additudemag.com/] – Parent-tested tips, medication guides, and lived experience stories * AANE.org [https://aane.org/] – Especially helpful if navigating both ADHD and autism traits

26 Mar 2025 - 54 min
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(Part 2) How the Average Person Can Resist Hate and Prevent Collapse

Taking Resistance to the Next Level Guest: Heather Buzbee – Nurse practitioner, autism and youth mental health specialist, PhD candidate, and parent of three neurodivergent kids. In Part 2 of our conversation, we break down Steps 6-9 in resisting systemic oppression and protecting marginalized communities. If you have the energy to do more, these steps focus on direct advocacy, informed resistance, and ethical action. We explore how to contact representatives, educate others on their rights, stay informed without burning out, and use your time and money to push for change. 🔹 Step 6 – Contacting Representatives: Why your voice matters and how to make your message count. 🔹 Step 7 – Educating Others: Sharing accurate information and helping people know their rights. 🔹 Step 8 – Staying Informed (Without Doomscrolling): Finding balanced news and setting boundaries. 🔹 Step 9 – Voting with Your Dollar & Time: How small choices add up to big impact. Terms: 📌 Constituent – A person who is represented by an elected official. If you live in a district, your representative works for you. 📌 Red Cards – Informational cards that help people (especially immigrants) know their legal rights if confronted by law enforcement. Get them here [https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas]. 📌 Doomscrolling – The habit of consuming excessive negative news, leading to stress and burnout. 📌 Voting with Your Dollar – Choosing where to spend your money based on a company’s values and ethical practices. 📌 Scripts – Pre-written dialogues or templates used to communicate effectively with representatives. 📌 DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) – Policies and programs that promote the representation and participation of diverse groups. 📌 5 Calls [https://5calls.org/] – Quick scripts for contacting elected officials 📌 Resistbot [https://resist.bot/] – Send messages to representatives via text 📌 Find your representatives [https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials] 📌 PBS [https://www.pbs.org/] & NPR [https://www.npr.org/] – Reliable news sources 📌 News Not Noise – Jessica Yellin [https://www.newsnotnoise.com/] – Nonpartisan, clear news reporting 📌 Aaron Parnas [https://twitter.com/aaronparnas] – Attorney and independent journalist covering policy and political issues 📌 Under the Desk News [https://www.tiktok.com/@underthedesknews] – Quick, digestible news updates 📌 We Can Do Hard Things – Calm News [https://wecandohardthingspodcast.com/] – Gentle news intake 📌 Blair Imani – Smarter in Seconds [https://www.blairimani.com/smarter-in-seconds] – Short, accessible educational breakdowns 📌 Constitution & Bill of Rights (simplified) [https://teachingcivics.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Simplified-United-States-Constitution-and-Bill-of-Rights.pdf] 📌 Know Your Rights – Immigration [https://immigrantjustice.org/know-your-rights/ice-encounter] 📌 Barrio Drive – multilingual community resources [https://barriodrive.com/pages/resources] 📌 Ethical Consumer [https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/] – Track companies' ethical practices 📌 Green America [https://www.greenamerica.org/] – Sustainable business resources 📌 Conscious Life & Style [https://www.consciouslifeandstyle.com/] – Ethical shopping guides 🌱 "I'm not going to let them take away my hope. They can't have it. I will not give it to them." – Heather Buzbee 💡 This episode reminds us that resistance isn’t just about large-scale action—it’s in every choice we make. If all you can do right now is take care of yourself, that’s enough. If you have the energy to do more, pick one or two steps and start there. 🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, & Amazon Music! 📣 Engage with us! * Follow, like, and share to spread the message. * Comment with the step that resonated most with you. * Join us next time as we continue to Diverge & Disrupt!

9 Mar 2025 - 34 min
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How the Average Person Can Resist Hate and Prevent Collapse Ep. 4 -PART 1

Episode Overview: In this powerful episode of Diverge & Disrupt, Liz sits down with friend and NP colleague, Heather Buzbee, a dedicated advocate for the marginalized and a passionate protector of vulnerable communities. Heather, a nurse practitioner dual-certified in pediatric primary care and psychiatric mental health, brings both professional expertise and lived experience as a parent to three neurodivergent children with chronic conditions. Her work in healthcare spans over 20 years, and she is currently pursuing a PhD in developmental psychology In this episode, Heather introduces the first 5 steps of her breakdown of "9 Steps for the Average Person to Resist Hate and Prevent Collapse" We are breaking down practical and essential actions for individuals who want to push back against injustice while maintaining their mental and emotional well-being. Resources: * CBT-I App for Sleep & Stress Management [https://www.ptsd.va.gov/appvid/mobile/cbticoach_app_public.asp] * Parent Guide: Anxiety in Children & Teens [https://www.napnap.org/wp-content/uploads/For-Parents-About-Anxiety-in-Children-Teens.pdf] * 10 Ways to Manage Everyday Stress (Teens) [https://kidshealth.org/NAPNAP/en/teens/stress-tips.html#catfeelings] * Spanish Version: Managing Stress [https://kidshealth.org/NAPNAP/es/teens/stress-tips.html#catfeelings] * Simplified Constitution & Bill of Rights [https://teachingcivics.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Simplified-United-States-Constitution-and-Bill-of-Rights.pdf] * Know Your Rights: Immigration Encounters [https://immigrantjustice.org/know-your-rights/ice-encounter] * Red Cards (Multiple Languages) [https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas] * Protected Areas for Immigrants [https://community.napnap.org/HigherLogic/System/DownloadDocumentFile.ashx?DocumentFileKey=fa3c8f10-7c20-4c85-b7a3-0194a9436d99] * The Body Keeps The Score – Bessel van der Kolk, MD * What Happened to You? – Bruce D. Perry, MD, PhD & Oprah Winfrey * Neurodivergent Friendly Workbook of DBT Skills – Sonny Jane Wise * The Zones of Regulation – Leah Kuypers, MA Ed. OTR/L * The Happiness Trap – Russ Harris Join us next episode as we explore the 4 deeper strategies for advocating for marginalized communities, fighting systemic oppression, and maintaining hope in difficult times. Subscribe & Support: Don’t miss an episode! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Amazon Music to stay updated. Your support helps us continue bringing these crucial conversations to light. Diverge & Disrupt is hosted by Liz Vossenkemper, MSN, ARNP, CPNP-PC, PMHS, and features expert guests dedicated to challenging systems, uplifting marginalized voices, and promoting radical change.

17 Feb 2025 - 1 h 4 min
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