Doug Reads With Friends

Ep 9: Do Hard Things, Favorite Teachers & The Longest Race (with Tammy Draughon)

Tammy Draughon joins Doug to talk about The Longest Race by Kara Goucher, but the conversation quickly becomes about much more than running. Doug and Tammy look back on nearly 30 years of friendship, beginning as young teachers at Enloe High School, and talk about teaching physics, coaching high school runners, doing hard things, surviving the Boston Marathon bombing, parenting, faith, and the responsibility coaches have to the young people in their care. Then they turn to Goucher’s memoir and its account of abuse, power, silence, and finding one’s voice inside the Nike Oregon Project. It is a conversation about endurance in every sense: in classrooms, on race courses, in families, in faith, and in friendship. Music by Eiren Caffall. Please check out her music on Spotify and visit her website at https://www.eirencaffall.com/ [https://www.eirencaffall.com/]. Chapters: 00:05 — Tammy Draughon and The Longest Race 01:13 — Thirty years of teaching, physics, and finding a calling 07:42 — Running, coaching, and becoming California Coach of the Year 11:29 — Do Hard Things 16:46 — Coaching herself, marathon training, and Boston goals 20:09 — The Boston Marathon bombing 24:56 — Family, faith, and the empty nest 27:11 — OK, now the book: The Longest Race by Kara Goucher 30:10 — Power, abuse, and finding your voice 35:18 — Reading Kara Goucher as a woman, runner, and coach 39:33 — Boston dreams and racing together

Ep 8: Unimportant Joy, Stylin' Mermaid & Cocktail Time (with Jeremy Hornik)

In this episode of Doug Reads With Friends, Doug talks with his oldest friend, Jeremy Hornik, about nearly 50 years of friendship, ridiculous Shakespeare summers, Chicago improv, slot machine design, family, loss, reading, and the pure comic pleasure of Cocktail Time by P.G. Wodehouse. Jeremy’s choice leads to a conversation about books that do not need to be “important” to matter, the serious craft behind unserious delight, and the strange brilliance of Wodehouse’s language, callbacks, country houses, idiot lords, smart servants, and angry swans. Next time, Doug talks with Tammy Draughon about The Longest Race. Music for Doug Reads With Friends is by Eiren Caffall; learn more about her work at https://www.eirencaffall.com/ [https://www.eirencaffall.com/]. 00:05 INTRO: A hotel apartment, a ceasefire, and an interrupted podcast 03:01 Almost 50 years of friendship 04:33 Stylin’ Mermaid and stupid Shakespeare 07:31 Chicago improv, famous people, and terrible scenes 10:45 From You Don’t Know Jack to slot machines 17:26 Rockababy, family, and remembering Donna 22:07 Reading, Goodreads, rereading, and creative energy 26:18 OK, now the book: Cocktail Time by P.G. Wodehouse 31:43 The serious pleasure of unserious books 35:16 Wodehouse’s language, callbacks, and one angry swan 41:28 Next time: Tammy Draughon and The Longest Race

Ep 7: AI Ethics, PosseLove & Culpability (with Dr. Lana Mahgoub)

Ep 7: AI Ethics, PosseLove & Culpability (with Dr. Lana Mahgoub) A family survives a self-driving car accident. Two people in another car don’t. From there, everything gets more complicated. Doug sits down with Dr. Lana Mahgoub—psychologist, author, and longtime member of his Grinnell Posse—to talk about Culpability by Bruce Holsinger, a novel that uses AI not just as a theme, but almost as a character. What begins as a question of who caused an accident quickly turns into something harder: how responsibility works in a world where humans and machines are intertwined. Along the way, the conversation moves well beyond the book. Lana reflects on her path from Posse scholar to psychologist, what it means to build support systems that actually last, and how those same ideas show up in therapy, parenting, and everyday life. There’s a throughline here about relationships—how they protect us, shape us, and sometimes fail us. The discussion of AI lands close to home. Lana sees versions of it already in her work, with kids turning to chatbots for connection and answers. The question isn’t whether AI will play a role—it already does. The harder question is what it’s doing to how people think, relate, and make decisions. There’s also a quieter tension running underneath everything: the instinct to protect—your kids, your patients, yourself—and the reality that you can’t control everything. Not outcomes. Not technology. Not even the people closest to you. It’s a conversation about responsibility, but also about limits—of systems, of knowledge, and of control. ---------------------------------------- Chapters 0:00 INTRO: Meet Dr. Lana and the Posse Connection 01:41 What Is Posse—and Why It Still Matters 04:28 From Grinnell to a Career in Psychology 08:01 Starting a Private Practice and Working with Kids 11:27 Parenting, Therapy, and Real Life vs Theory 13:22 Writing a Children’s Book About Anxiety 20:57 OK, now the book: Culpability by Bruce Holsinger 26:20 From the Novel to Real Life: AI, Kids, and Therapy 32:59 Ethics, Responsibility, and What AI Means for Us 38:22 Next time: Jeremy Hornik and Cocktail Time by P. G. Wodehouse ---------------------------------------- Next: Jeremy Hornik, discussing Cocktail Time by P. G. Wodehouse. Music by Eiren Caffall. Please check out her music on Spotify.

Ep 6: Good Clay, Great Bosses & This American Woman (with Hazel Raja)

In this episode of Doug Reads with Friends, I’m joined by my longtime friend and former colleague Hazel Raja. We first met in 2013 when she interviewed me to join NYU Abu Dhabi, and over the years we became not just colleagues, but close friends. In this conversation, we reflect on what it means to build real relationships at work, the blurred lines between being a boss and a friend, and how those relationships can shape us long after we’ve moved on. Hazel shares her perspective on leadership and career development, including her belief in seeing and supporting the “whole person”—not just the job they do. We also talk about her transition from life in Abu Dhabi to suburban California, what she misses about living abroad, and how becoming a parent has changed the way she thinks about work, time, and presence. We then turn to the book she chose, This American Woman by Zarna Garg—a funny, candid memoir that opens up deeper conversations about culture, identity, ambition, and the different ways success is defined in American and Indian contexts. We explore how we each experienced the book from our own perspectives, and what it reveals about career paths, family expectations, and gratitude. As always, the book is just the starting point. This episode is really about friendship, growth, and the stories that shape who we become. CHAPTERS 00:00 – Introduction: Friendship First, Book Second 01:54 – Bosses, Boundaries & Blurred Lines 06:00 – Leading the Whole Person 10:38 – Why This Work Matters 13:13 – Abu Dhabi vs Suburban Life 15:58 – Parenting, Presence & Phones 20:53 – The Book: This American Woman 23:12 – Culture, Ambition & Career Paths 27:14 – Humor, Hardship & Perspective 39:26 – Looking Ahead In the next episode, I’ll be joined by Dr. Lana Mahgoub, one of the members of the Posse I mentored while at Grinnell College. Lana has chosen the novel Culpability by Bruce Holsinger—a compelling, fast-paced story full of secrets and difficult questions. I hope you’ll consider picking up a copy and reading along before that conversation drops. Music for Doug Reads with Friends by my friend Eiren Caffall. You can find her work on Spotify—please give it a listen and support her music.

Ep 5: Inherited Systems, Long Arcs & Disrupting Africa (with Opeyemi Awe)

What does it take to build a country? Doug sits down with Ope Awe—Watson Fellow, Schwarzman Scholar, JD/MBA, and one of the most remarkable former students he’s ever worked with—for a conversation about entrepreneurship, governance, and economic development. They begin with Ope’s journey across South Korea, Brazil, Indonesia, Rwanda, and China, and how those experiences shaped her thinking about what drives real change. Then they turn to Disrupting Africa by Olufunmilayo Arewa, a powerful and deeply researched book that argues many of today’s challenges—from corruption to weak infrastructure—are rooted in colonial systems designed for extraction. Along the way: big ideas, real-world examples, and a plan for future gorilla trekking in Rwanda. Music by Eiren Caffall — https://www.eirencaffall.com/ [https://www.eirencaffall.com/]