Mayhem in Mali: A Conversation with Sahel Experts - Andrew McGregor and Jacob Zenn
Hi everyone,
Welcome to my Eyes on Eurasia podcast with Glen Howard! In today’s episode, we will examine the ongoing situation in Mali, where in the past week, al-Qaeda-linked militants launched a coordinated offensive, striking the heart of the Malian state — killing Defense Minister Sadio Camara, Moscow’s key ally in Bamako. Militant attacks also forced Russian-backed forces into retreat across multiple strategic points in the country, including their abrupt departure from their northern stronghold of Kidal.
For those who have not been following developments in Mali, just a few years ago, Mali’s military junta made a decisive break with the West, expelling French forces and instead betting on Russia to restore order. Moscow stepped in with mercenaries, as the former Wagner forces were rebranded as the Africa Corps after the failed coup by Yevgeny Prigozhin to oust Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2023. Since then, Russian mercenaries have continued to work in Mali under a rebranded name, providing security to a new Russian-backed Malian military-led government.
Last week, however, that strategy unraveled dramatically, creating a setback for the Malian junta and Russian-backed forces. As Mali is back in the news and teetering on the edge again in a potential state collapse, the implications extend far beyond Bamako — threatening to destabilize the entire Sahel and reshape the geopolitical contest for influence across Africa.
So what went wrong with the Russian intervention and is Mali become a Sahelian version of Afghanistan? What does this mean for the future of Mali’s junta? And could this crisis draw the United States back into a region it has largely stepped away from?
Joining us to discuss all these issues are seasoned Sahel experts Andrew McGregor and Jacob Zenn.
👉Dr. Andrew McGregor [https://www.aberfoylesecurity.com/?page_id=17] is director of Aberfoyle International Security, a Toronto-based consultancy specializing in the security issues of Africa and the Islamic world, and a frequent contributor to The Saratoga Foundation and its analysis on the Horn of Africa [https://www.saratoga-foundation.org/p/desert-flashpoint-the-kufra-oasis]. Andrew is a graduate of the Near Eastern Studies Department of the University of Toronto and the author of A History of Darfur and the Modern Military History of Egypt [https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/military-history-of-modern-egypt-9780275986018/].
👉Jacob Zenn [https://jamestown.org/analyst/jacob-zenn/] is a noted expert on militant movements in Africa, the Editor of Terrorism Monitor, a Senior Fellow on African and Eurasian Affairs at The Jamestown Foundation, and an Adjunct Assistant Professor at Georgetown University’s Security Studies Program. He is the author of Unmasking Boko Haram: Exploring Global Jihad in Nigeria [https://www.rienner.com/title/Unmasking_Boko_Haram_Exploring_Global_Jihad_in_Nigeria] (Lynne Rienner, 2020) and has published widely on militant movements in Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia.
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