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Get Me to the Gray

Podcast by Paula Lehman-Ewing

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About Get Me to the Gray

Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway. COJA Services Inc. works with mission-driven organizations and brands that are clear on their values but struggle to translate that clarity into public-facing language. We help teams align internal narratives, reduce confusion before it becomes mistrust, and translate complexity into public understanding without relying on scripts, rhetoric, or generic AI language that strips voice and judgment. If you're in the greater Denver metro area, register for our LIVE events at tinyurl.com/COJAEvents

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17 episodes

episode War Coverage Without a Fixer: What We're Not Seeing in Iran — Amjad Tadros artwork

War Coverage Without a Fixer: What We're Not Seeing in Iran — Amjad Tadros

War coverage depends on infrastructure most audiences never see. The fixer — the local journalist who arranges access, speaks the language, reads the room, and absorbs the risk — is the reason foreign correspondents can tell any story at all. And the fixer disappears before it airs. Amjad Tadros spent 33 years as CBS News' Middle East producer — one of the most decorated fixers in the history of American broadcast journalism. He won some fights to get the real story through. He lost others. The ones he lost still find him at four in the morning. Now retired and watching a new war unfold from Jordan, Tadros is seeing what happens when that infrastructure collapses entirely. There are no independent journalists inside Iran. The internet is restricted. The coverage is being assembled in London and Washington and Dubai from satellite imagery, Telegram channels, and exile sources with their own agendas. The people who would push back on the frame are not in the room. This is what that absence looks like — and what it reveals about what the fixer was actually providing when he was there. Learn more about Amjad Tadros' work and book at amjadtadros.com [https://www.amjadtadros.com/]. His book The Fixer is available on Amazon [https://a.co/d/01pjyQjr]. For information about how COJA Services teaches narrative strategies that make these kinds of conversations possible, visit cojaservices.com [https://cojaservices.com/].

19 May 2026 - 30 min
episode Antidepressants, Mental Illness, and Unresolved Tension — with Dr. Fred Moss artwork

Antidepressants, Mental Illness, and Unresolved Tension — with Dr. Fred Moss

Antidepressants are in the news. A federal announcement [https://www.hhs.gov/press-room/hhs-launches-maha-action-plan-curb-psychiatric-overprescribing.html] called for reducing overprescribing of psychiatric medications — and the conversation immediately became political. This episode goes somewhere the political coverage can't follow. Dr. Fred Moss is a board-certified psychiatrist with over 45 years in practice and more than 30,000 patients across hospitals, nursing homes, correctional facilities, and private practice. He's also one of the rare psychiatrists openly questioning the system he trained in — particularly the reliance on diagnosis, labels, and medication as first-line treatment. His program Undoctor Reset and books Creative 8 and Find Your True Voice are built around a different premise: that many people labeled mentally ill are not ill so much as unheard. Host Paula Lehman-Ewing brings a different experience to this conversation — one in which medication wasn't a shortcut but a rope. What emerged wasn't resolution. It was something more honest: a disagreement that runs deeper than treatment philosophy, all the way down to what depression actually is. The tension doesn't resolve. That's the point. Learn more about Dr. Moss' work: drfred360.com [https://drfred360.com/]welcometohumanity.net [https://welcometohumanity.net/]welcometohumanityretreat.com [https://welcometohumanityretreat.com/] Learn more about the strategy behind these conversations at COJAServices.com [https://cojaservices.com/]

12 May 2026 - 43 min
episode Come for the Craic: Irish Sessions and Who Gets to Belong artwork

Come for the Craic: Irish Sessions and Who Gets to Belong

Irish traditional music session etiquette has a reputation for being fluid, unspoken, and learnable — if you're let in long enough to learn it. But what happens when the people arriving at the door didn't grow up inside the culture that shaped the rules? Tara Connaghan, creator and host of In Tune with Tradition [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-tune-with-tradition-perspectives-on-session/id1824597652], has spent years trying to decode session behavior so more people can stop feeling anxious and start feeling welcome. Wendy Morgan has spent 20 years trying to get in — and recently realized she might never fully arrive. This conversation doesn't resolve that tension. It lives in it. What does tradition owe to newcomers? What do skilled players owe to learners? And when the gatekeeping is unconscious — when nobody's being deliberately exclusive, but the door still doesn't open — whose responsibility is it?

5 May 2026 - 47 min
episode GMG LIVE: Prosecutorial Accountability with DA Alexis King artwork

GMG LIVE: Prosecutorial Accountability with DA Alexis King

Prosecutorial accountability has become a flashpoint in American justice debates — but what does it actually look like from inside the office? District Attorney Alexis King of Jefferson and Gilpin Counties joins Paula Lehman-Ewing for a live conversation recorded at Denver Book Society. King is not a skeptic of prosecution — she believes in it, has reformed it from the inside, and built the largest prosecutorial data transparency project in the country. But this conversation doesn't stay in the realm of the achievable. It moves into the harder terrain: officer-involved shootings, the limits of the reasonable belief standard, the architecture that keeps some cases beyond accountability's reach — and what "accountability" even means when no charges are filed and the officer is still on the job. King holds her framework. Paula holds the tension. Neither resolves it. That's the point. Recorded live before a public audience.

28 Apr 2026 - 1 h 2 min
episode Democracy, Authoritarianism, and the Ethics of War artwork

Democracy, Authoritarianism, and the Ethics of War

When democracy and authoritarianism go to war, the easy story is about good guys and bad guys. Daniel Bookman doesn't tell that story — but he comes close, and that's where this conversation gets interesting. Bookman is the author of Beyond Power, a philosophical framework for understanding how ethical societies form, why authoritarian regimes can't tolerate democratic neighbors, and what that means for the conflicts in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and inside the United States right now. His argument is serious and principled. It's also the kind of framework that explains a great deal — maybe too much. Host Paula Lehman-Ewing pushes on the places it strains: what happens when democratic leaders start behaving like the authoritarians they oppose? How long can existential threat justify behavior that contradicts a society's own ethical claims? Bookman doesn't dismiss the questions. But his answers leave something unresolved. That's the point. You can find Beyond Power: Israel & The Struggle for the Ethical State on Amazon using this LINK [https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Power-Israel-Struggle-Ethical/dp/B0G1D4N83H]. Note: There will not be a new episode next week as we are preparing for our second LIVE show. If you're in the greater Denver metro area, we hope you'll join us at Denver Book Society Sunday, April 26 at 3pm. More information about the event can be found at tinyurl.com/COJA-live2 [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/1982245745385?aff=oddtdtcreator].

14 Apr 2026 - 40 min
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