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Grow or Go

Podcast by Chris Jones and Matt Silasiri

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About Grow or Go

We talk about Surfing the Sigmoid Curve. Or in other words: how everything, and everyone will experience inception, growth, maturity, and finally decline. But how do businesses, products, or people continue to grow both personally and professionally? We interview founders, business owners, professionals, and growth-minded individuals who have found success. And they share how they made it happen. We have 1 rule. Don't. Be. Boring. Hosted by Chris Jones, CEO, and co-owner of the largest business brokerage firm in the US, and Matt Silasiri, VP of Business Development. https://www.tnma.com

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episode Ep. 43 - A Founder's Story: Starting, Building & Exiting a Type 3 Student Transportation Company - Christian Olson artwork

Ep. 43 - A Founder's Story: Starting, Building & Exiting a Type 3 Student Transportation Company - Christian Olson

What's it like leaving a safe, salaried job to start your own business? Not everyone understands the risks it takes, but sometimes the cards you are shown just make sense, and taking that risk is the answer. Christian Olson took the leap once he realized there was a real need for better student transportation services. No solution is that easy, however. Mix in Covid, uncertainty, complete demand decline, and just trying to keep the lights on. Christian explains his whole story about how Transportation Delivery Inc. came to life, grew, and eventually sold. Now Christian helps business owners mitigate their operating expenses, allowing more money to transfer to the bottom line. Connect with Christian here. [https://www.schooleymitchell.com/office/colson/] Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/businessesforsale/] - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-silasiri-920648152/] - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.tnma.com/]and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. [https://www.sunbeltmidwest.com/]

11 May 2026 - 34 min
episode Ep. 42 - A Founder's Story: Starting, Growing, and Exiting a Collision & Glass Business - Craig Carlson artwork

Ep. 42 - A Founder's Story: Starting, Growing, and Exiting a Collision & Glass Business - Craig Carlson

This one is for all of you automotive gurus, the grease monkeys, the ones that want to work on cars all day long. Craig Carlson joins us as a founder, an owner, and now seller of the successful Carlson's Collision & Glass. Just like any business owner, Craig started at the bottom. Borrowing as much money as the banks would allow him to start his own shop. His journey of blood, sweat, and tears is what has now allowed him to retire and live out his other dreams. If you want to learn more about exiting your business, and how planning ahead will make your experience smoother, contact Matt Silasiri below. Check in where your business currently lays in the market, and review the Value Drivers that will help you improve your business. Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/businessesforsale/] - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-silasiri-920648152/] - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.tnma.com/]and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. [https://www.sunbeltmidwest.com/]

24 Apr 2026 - 45 min
episode Ep. 41 – Matching Your Business Exit with Your Financial Goals – Max Rosen and Robert Dietz artwork

Ep. 41 – Matching Your Business Exit with Your Financial Goals – Max Rosen and Robert Dietz

As a business owner, most of your net worth is tied up in your business. So, how do you match your retirement vision with your business exit? The key takeaway: Do your homework and plan early to match your goals for the next chapter with the plan you establish for your business exit. Bernstein has been in business for 60 years in wealth management services. One of their main focuses is working with entrepreneurs and multi-generational families, and advising business owners for retirement isa key aspect of their services. Max Rosen is Principal and Robert Dietz is the National Director of Tax Research for Bernstein Private Wealth Management. Bernstein services can be found at Private Wealth Management | Bernstein [https://www.bernstein.com/] Max can be followed at Max Rosen | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-rosen-1a16a319/] Robert can be followed at Robert Dietz, CFA | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-dietz-cfa-b6465410/] Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/businessesforsale/] - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-silasiri-920648152/] - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.tnma.com/]and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.sunbeltmidwest.com/].

5 Jan 2026 - 43 min
episode Ep. 40 – The Political Outlook for Minnesota Business Owners – Mayor Tim Sanders artwork

Ep. 40 – The Political Outlook for Minnesota Business Owners – Mayor Tim Sanders

The political landscape that your business lives in has a huge effect on how you choose to operate your life’s work. So, where do things stand today, and what does the future look like? We welcome Tim Sanders to the podcast this week. Tim is the mayor of the city of Blaine, having served in office since 2021. Previously, Tim was a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives for 8 years from 2009-2017. Tim can be followed at Tim Sanders | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsandersmn/] Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/businessesforsale/] - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-silasiri-920648152/] - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.tnma.com/]and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.sunbeltmidwest.com/].

18 Dec 2025 - 53 min
episode Ep. 39 – Maximizing Your Digital Business Presence – Marnie Ochs-Raleigh artwork

Ep. 39 – Maximizing Your Digital Business Presence – Marnie Ochs-Raleigh

Business owners are commonly trying to find new ways to grow their business. They are searching for ways to bring new customers or clients their way. But when the answer isn’t a big sales team or a big new active marketing campaign, what will work? Many businesses are finding that optimizing and maximizing their digital presence can make a huge impact in this technology driven environment. Evolve Systems is a digital marketing agency based in St. Paul, MN. They work primarily with middle-market B2B business. They specialize in design and branding, website development, digital marketing and search engine optimization (SEO). Marnie is the founder of Evolve Systems and has been the CEO of the company for 23 years. Evolve Systems can be found at Twin Cities B2B Marketing Agency | Evolve Systems. [https://evolve-systems.com/] Marnie can be found at Marnie Ochs-Raleigh | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marnieochsraleigh/] Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/businessesforsale/] - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-silasiri-920648152/] - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.tnma.com/]and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.sunbeltmidwest.com/].

11 Dec 2025 - 47 min
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