In the Church Library

A Conversation with Andrew Remington Rillera about Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA)

Send a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2463181/open_sms] Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death [https://a.co/d/i5tL4C8], his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode:  -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 [https://www.academia.edu/40433720/_Tertium_Genus_or_Dyadic_Unity_Investigating_Sociopolitical_Salvation_in_Ephesians_] -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel within First-Century Judaism, by: Paul T. Sloan [https://a.co/d/a2qpsa6] -Anselm's Cur Deus Homo [https://ccel.org/ccel/anselm/basic_works/basic_works.vi.html] -Hannah Bowman's  [https://hannahnpbowman.com/theological-writing/]article From Substitution to Solidarity: Towards an Abolitionist Atonement Theology [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1462317X.2022.2038937] -Peter Leithart's critique of Andrew's book [https://peterleithart.substack.com/p/lamb-of-the-free] -Andrew's response to Peter's critique [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1954986784884133944.html] Find Andrew on X/Twitter [https://x.com/AndrewRillera] and Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/andrewrillera.bsky.social] *** Episode Chapter Markers:  3:21—Andrew's bio/introduction 6:23—Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) defined 22:20—Is PSA "the Gospel"? 47:28—Significance of the "washing" imagery in the sacrificial system 57:13—Where did we go wrong with our understanding of this imagery? 1:01:22—What are the implications for parenting? 1:18:43—Discussion of recent social media conversation on PSA & critiques of Andrew's book *** Connect with Marissa & Kelsey across social media Marissa: Website [https://www.marissaburt.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@mburtwrites], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@mburtwrites], Twitter [https://x.com/MBurtwrites], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@inthewaytheyshouldgo], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joann.burt.313/] Kelsey: Website [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@kelseykmcginnis], Twitter [https://x.com/kkramermcginnis], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis] PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] for 40% off now.

Final Episode: Q&A and Book Launch Updates

Send a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2463181/open_sms] Join Marissa Franks Burt [https://www.marissaburt.com/about] and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/about] In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In this final episode for S1, they answer:  12:52 Q: Could you describe the survey process you used? 22:44 Q: Where on the theological/denominational spectrum do most of these resources fall? What about your book? What about your biases? 36:25 Q: Can you speak to the parallels between authoritarian parenting and penal substitutionary atonement (PSA)?  38:25 Q:How as research/writing/podcasting affected your parenting? 50:08 Q: Have these resources set parents up for spiritual and emotional abuse? If so, how?  You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website [https://www.marissaburt.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@mburtwrites], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@mburtwrites], Twitter [https://x.com/MBurtwrites], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@inthewaytheyshouldgo], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joann.burt.313/] Kelsey: Website [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@kelseykmcginnis], Twitter [https://x.com/kkramermcginnis], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis] PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] for 40% off now.

Nancy & Colin Campbell and their "Above Rubies" ministry

Send a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2463181/open_sms] Join Marissa Franks Burt [https://www.marissaburt.com/about] and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/about] In the Church Library to discuss Nancy and Colin Campbell's Above Rubies ministries, as well as some of their resources—The Power of Motherhood and Be Fruitful and Multiply—and their connection to CCM's Newsboys. Mentioned in the episode: Orphan Fever: The Evangelical Movement's Adoption Obsession, by: Kathryn Joyce [https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/christian-evangelical-adoption-liberia/] You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website [https://www.marissaburt.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@mburtwrites], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@mburtwrites], Twitter [https://x.com/MBurtwrites], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@inthewaytheyshouldgo], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joann.burt.313/] Kelsey: Website [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@kelseykmcginnis], Twitter [https://x.com/kkramermcginnis], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis] PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] for 40% off now.

A Conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife

Send a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2463181/open_sms] Join Marissa Franks Burt [https://www.marissaburt.com/about] and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/about] In the Church Library for a conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy [https://tialevings.com/]. Connect with Tia [https://tialevings.com/] online: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TiaLevingsWriter], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/tialevingswriter/], Threads [https://www.threads.com/@tialevingswriter?xmt=AQF0LRQ0Mtvxj5f4XA2oXPleqgotzfXLJD7StAJ73B9Gwck], Substack [https://tialevings.substack.com/] You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website [https://www.marissaburt.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@mburtwrites], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@mburtwrites], Twitter [https://x.com/MBurtwrites], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@inthewaytheyshouldgo], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joann.burt.313/] Kelsey: Website [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@kelseykmcginnis], Twitter [https://x.com/kkramermcginnis], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis] And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] wherever books are sold!  Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] for 40% off now.

To Train Up A Child, by: Michael & Debi Pearl

Send a text [https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2463181/open_sms] Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death.  Join Marissa Franks Burt [https://www.marissaburt.com/about] and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/about] In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl [https://archive.org/details/totrainupchild00mich/page/52/mode/2up]. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website [https://www.marissaburt.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@mburtwrites], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@mburtwrites], Twitter [https://x.com/MBurtwrites], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social], YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@inthewaytheyshouldgo], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joann.burt.313/] Kelsey: Website [https://www.kkramermcginnis.com/], Substack [https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/], Threads [https://www.threads.net/@kelseykmcginnis], Twitter [https://x.com/kkramermcginnis], TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en], BlueSky [https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis] And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] wherever books are sold!  PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families [https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/637314] for 40% off now.