Industrial Risk: Beyond The Blueprint

Jowanza Joseph & Ahmed Salim on Governing AI

18 min · 26. juni 2026
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Overview The conversation centers on major US risk signals involving AI governance, specifically the Anthropic/Pentagon standoff, the fragmented war between state AI laws (such as in Colorado and California) versus federal pushback, and high-profile government compliance failures. This live session is a return visit for Ahmed and a follow-up to Episode 9, which featured him as a guest to discuss the "Chatbot Dilemma" and how compliance must transition from an enforcer to a strategic business partner. ⚡ Key Highlights Without centralized federal oversight, the tech industry faces a highly fragmented compliance landscape. Navigating state-by-state AI regulations is rapidly evolving into a complex legal hurdle for developers. * Usage Policies as Free Speech: Private AI labs are beginning to treat their internal safety guidelines as protected corporate expression, complicating the government’s ability to demand forced access to proprietary models. * The Mirage of the Chatbox: While most casual users view AI as a simple text box, the underlying tech has quietly transitioned into integrated agents capable of sourcing cross-platform personal data. * The Lack of an “AI Tort”: Traditional legal frameworks like defamation exist, but current law is fundamentally unequipped to handle the systemic financial and political harms unique to viral generative deepfakes. Conclusion? In AI governance, navigating without a clear plan is dangerous when the rules are still being actively debated in courtrooms and corporate offices instead of being firmly established. Organizations must focus on building highly resilient internal governance to protect against these shifting external legal and technological fractures Thank you to everyone who tuned into this live video! Join the Risk Room for the next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit parakeetinc.substack.com [https://parakeetinc.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

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🎙️ Episode 49: The Architecture of Culture – Why Systems Fail When Leadership Fails

About the Guest Dr. Tom Krause is a preeminent thought leader on organizational culture, safety leadership, and executive decision-making. With a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology, he founded Behavioral Science Technology (BST) in 1979, eventually conducting over 2,300 consulting projects across 60 countries. Most notably, following the Columbia space shuttle tragedy, NASA selected Dr. Krause to design and lead their safety culture change initiative, personally coaching the agency’s top leaders. In January 2026, he transitioned to the role of Chairman of Krause Bell Group, where he focuses on the prevention of Serious Injuries and Fatalities (SIF) and the "Safety Loop" framework. He is the author of six books, including Leading with Safety and 7 Insights into Safety Leadership. Tom's philosophy: Safety shouldn't be treated as a compliance tax. The same leadership failures that lead to industrial accidents are the ones that lead to financial and strategic ruin. A safe company is ultimately a better-run, more profitable company. Key Takeaways: 🚀 The NASA Blueprint & Normalized Deviance Discover what coaching elite astronauts and aerospace engineers taught Tom about “normalized deviance” following the Columbia disaster, and how a team of experts can convince themselves that a critical warning sign is actually normal. 🧠 The Psychology of the Boardroom Explore how cognitive biases, groupthink, and the dangerous confidence that comes from years of financial success create massive “blind spots” for catastrophic risk in executive decision-making. 📉 The SIF Paradigm vs. “Lazy” Metrics Understand why traditional safety metrics like the Total Recordable Incident Rate (TRIR) are “lazy” indicators. Learn why an organization can celebrate low injury rates on Monday but suffer a catastrophic fatality on Tuesday, and how to properly identify “SIF-potential” events. 🏗️ Beyond Behavior-Based Safety (BBS) Move past the outdated model of simply observing what a worker did to analyzing the environment and context that caused that behavior. Learn the dangers of blaming a worker’s unsafe act while ignoring the organizational pressures that made it inevitable. 🤖 AI & The Future of Safety Leadership As AI and predictive analytics take over industrial risk management, examine whether this creates a new form of “automation bias” where leaders hide behind data, or if human safety leadership will become even more critical. 📩 Contact & Resources * Website: www.krausebellgroup.com [http://www.krausebellgroup.com] * LinkedIn: Tom Krause [http://linkedin.com/in/tom-krausekbg] * Books: Leading with Safety [https://www.amazon.com/Leading-Safety-Thomas-R-Krause/dp/0471494259] https://www.amazon.com/Leading-Safety-Thomas-R-Krause/dp/0471494259and 7 Insights Into Safety Leadership [https://www.amazon.com/7-Insights-into-Safety-Leadership/dp/0996685901] 📢 Special Event: Join Us at the Chemical Risk Expo! Chemical Risk Expo is a dedicated event within Disasters Expo USA, focused on the unique challenges of chemical safety, industrial risk, HazMat response, and operational resilience in high-hazard environments. Bringing together professionals from across the chemical, petrochemical, manufacturing, emergency response, and safety sectors, the expo explores how organisations can better prepare for, respond to, and recover from incidents and natural disasters that threaten people, assets, and operations. As a valued listener of our podcast, you can claim a 100% FREE ticket to the event! Use our exclusive discount link or enter the promo code below during registration to secure your free pass. * 🎟️ Free Ticket Link: Chemical Risk Expo Registration [https://chemicalriskexpo.com/registration?utm_source=industrialrisk&discount_code=INDUSTRIALRISK100] * 🔑 Promo Code: INDUSTRIALRISK100 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit parakeetinc.substack.com [https://parakeetinc.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

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Jowanza Joseph & Ahmed Salim on Governing AI

Overview The conversation centers on major US risk signals involving AI governance, specifically the Anthropic/Pentagon standoff, the fragmented war between state AI laws (such as in Colorado and California) versus federal pushback, and high-profile government compliance failures. This live session is a return visit for Ahmed and a follow-up to Episode 9, which featured him as a guest to discuss the "Chatbot Dilemma" and how compliance must transition from an enforcer to a strategic business partner. ⚡ Key Highlights Without centralized federal oversight, the tech industry faces a highly fragmented compliance landscape. Navigating state-by-state AI regulations is rapidly evolving into a complex legal hurdle for developers. * Usage Policies as Free Speech: Private AI labs are beginning to treat their internal safety guidelines as protected corporate expression, complicating the government’s ability to demand forced access to proprietary models. * The Mirage of the Chatbox: While most casual users view AI as a simple text box, the underlying tech has quietly transitioned into integrated agents capable of sourcing cross-platform personal data. * The Lack of an “AI Tort”: Traditional legal frameworks like defamation exist, but current law is fundamentally unequipped to handle the systemic financial and political harms unique to viral generative deepfakes. Conclusion? In AI governance, navigating without a clear plan is dangerous when the rules are still being actively debated in courtrooms and corporate offices instead of being firmly established. Organizations must focus on building highly resilient internal governance to protect against these shifting external legal and technological fractures Thank you to everyone who tuned into this live video! Join the Risk Room for the next live video in the app. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit parakeetinc.substack.com [https://parakeetinc.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

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🎙️ Episode 48: The Safety Metric That's Giving You False Confidence: High Report Volume Is Not a Win

About the Guest Wim Vandekerckhove is a Full Professor of Business Ethics at EDHEC Business School and one of the world's leading authorities on whistleblowing and organizational speak-up systems. He led the international team that created ISO 37002—the global standard for whistleblowing management systems. With over twenty years of experience studying why people stay silent about wrongdoing, he has advised major institutions, including the Council of Europe, the International Olympic Committee (IOC), and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), on building safe, credible, and effective speak-up cultures. Wim's philosophy: Silence is a system failure. Fortunately, systems can be redesigned. The myth of 'more reporting equals better safety' gives false confidence; what matters is not the volume of reports, but how you handle them. Key Takeaways: 📉 The Myth of Report Volume Discover why assuming that a high volume of reports equals a healthy organizational system is dangerous thinking and gives leaders false confidence. 📑 Inside ISO 37002 & Report Handling Understand the specific problems the ISO 37002 standard was designed to solve, and walk through what good report handling actually looks like—from the moment a report comes in to the moment a case is successfully closed. 🏗️ Speak-Up Culture in Heavy Industry Explore how speak-up cultures in construction, manufacturing, and energy fundamentally differ from sectors like finance or healthcare. Learn whether speak-up systems can actually protect non-direct employees and subcontractors on complex, multi-employer sites. 🛡️ Breaking the Retaliation Barrier Learn why the fear of retaliation is the single biggest reason workers stay silent, and discover what effective retaliation protection looks like structurally in practice, rather than just on paper. 🔍 The SUSA Self-Assessment Find out how organizations can benchmark themselves against ISO 37002 using the SUSA self-assessment tool, and hear about the most common gaps organizations discover when they honestly assess their own systems. 📩 Contact & Resources * Standard: ISO 37002:2021 — Whistleblowing Management Systems [https://www.google.com/url?sa=E&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F65035.html] * Tool: SUSA — Speak-Up Self-Assessment Tool (EDHEC / Project BRIGHT) [https://www.google.com/url?sa=E&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.edhec.edu%2Fen%2Fresearch-and-faculty%2Fdepartments%2Fmanagement-and-humanities%2Fbright-project] * Book: Whistleblowing Management Systems and Speak-Up Cultures [https://www.google.com/url?sa=E&q=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fbook%2F10.1007%2F978-3-032-14204-7] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit parakeetinc.substack.com [https://parakeetinc.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1]

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