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The Field Guide to Nepo Babies with Fran Hoepfner

56 min · 23. juni 2026
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This episode, I chat with Fran Hoepfner — critic, Vulture writer, and author of The Field Guide to Nepo Babies — to trace nepotism from the medieval Catholic Church all the way to Bronny James and Kai Trump. They get into who's doing it right (Ben Platt's Rachel Zegler solidarity era, Romy Mars booking a helicopter and owning it on TikTok), who's doing it wrong (Jack Schlossberg, reheating his family's nachos), and whether Jesus Christ is technically a nepo baby. Spoiler: it depends on your theology (but it’s also making me want to rewatch Jesus Christ Superstar). Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney [https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney]  TIMESTAMPS * (00:00) Cold open / Fran's cat Bandit joins the show * (03:10) The meritocracy myth and why nepo babies make us angry * (08:08) Ben Platt's PR redemption arc * (12:29) How nepotism started in the Catholic Church (hi, Borgias) * (15:10) Was Jesus a nepo baby? * (20:00) Emeril Lagasse IV and the "no seriously he earned it" profile * (28:21) Bronny James and the tragedy of an impossible legacy * (32:06) Chet Hanks: performance art or just vibes? * (35:24) Jack Schlossberg, least favorite nepo baby, explained * (43:38) Fran's favorites: Laura Dern, Jason Schwartzmann, the Gummers * (48:18) Kai Trump's "just a regular girly" era and Tiffany Trump's strange tragedy * (53:23) The takeaway: don't apologize, don't be boring, and if you have money, do something good TRANSCRIPT Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ghO5c8muWn77GzbPfNGP84l06ixrr8RNt4URRQDdn8/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ghO5c8muWn77GzbPfNGP84l06ixrr8RNt4URRQDdn8/edit?usp=sharing]  Connect with Mary: * Website: www.marymmahoney.com [http://www.marymmahoney.com] * Instagram: @mimimahoney [https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en] * Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com [MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com] Connect with Fran: * Read Fran’s Book! [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465] The Field Guide to Nepo Babies (https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465 [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465] )  * Subscribe to Fran Magazine: https://franmagazine.substack.com/ [https://franmagazine.substack.com/]  * Website: https://www.franhoepfner.fyi/ [https://www.franhoepfner.fyi/]  * Instagram: @franhoepfner [https://www.instagram.com/franhoepfner/?hl=en#]   Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline. Sponsor Message:  Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm [http://libro.fm]. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb [https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb] )  ---------------------------------------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy [https://acast.com/privacy] for more information.

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episode The Field Guide to Nepo Babies with Fran Hoepfner artwork

The Field Guide to Nepo Babies with Fran Hoepfner

This episode, I chat with Fran Hoepfner — critic, Vulture writer, and author of The Field Guide to Nepo Babies — to trace nepotism from the medieval Catholic Church all the way to Bronny James and Kai Trump. They get into who's doing it right (Ben Platt's Rachel Zegler solidarity era, Romy Mars booking a helicopter and owning it on TikTok), who's doing it wrong (Jack Schlossberg, reheating his family's nachos), and whether Jesus Christ is technically a nepo baby. Spoiler: it depends on your theology (but it’s also making me want to rewatch Jesus Christ Superstar). Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney [https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney]  TIMESTAMPS * (00:00) Cold open / Fran's cat Bandit joins the show * (03:10) The meritocracy myth and why nepo babies make us angry * (08:08) Ben Platt's PR redemption arc * (12:29) How nepotism started in the Catholic Church (hi, Borgias) * (15:10) Was Jesus a nepo baby? * (20:00) Emeril Lagasse IV and the "no seriously he earned it" profile * (28:21) Bronny James and the tragedy of an impossible legacy * (32:06) Chet Hanks: performance art or just vibes? * (35:24) Jack Schlossberg, least favorite nepo baby, explained * (43:38) Fran's favorites: Laura Dern, Jason Schwartzmann, the Gummers * (48:18) Kai Trump's "just a regular girly" era and Tiffany Trump's strange tragedy * (53:23) The takeaway: don't apologize, don't be boring, and if you have money, do something good TRANSCRIPT Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ghO5c8muWn77GzbPfNGP84l06ixrr8RNt4URRQDdn8/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ghO5c8muWn77GzbPfNGP84l06ixrr8RNt4URRQDdn8/edit?usp=sharing]  Connect with Mary: * Website: www.marymmahoney.com [http://www.marymmahoney.com] * Instagram: @mimimahoney [https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en] * Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com [MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com] Connect with Fran: * Read Fran’s Book! [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465] The Field Guide to Nepo Babies (https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465 [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781523530465] )  * Subscribe to Fran Magazine: https://franmagazine.substack.com/ [https://franmagazine.substack.com/]  * Website: https://www.franhoepfner.fyi/ [https://www.franhoepfner.fyi/]  * Instagram: @franhoepfner [https://www.instagram.com/franhoepfner/?hl=en#]   Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline. Sponsor Message:  Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm [http://libro.fm]. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb [https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb] )  ---------------------------------------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy [https://acast.com/privacy] for more information.

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18. juni 20265 min
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"Does She Sing?" Sarah, Plain and Tall and the History of “Wives Wanted” with Sara Petersen

We need to talk about Sarah, Plain and Tall. Yes, the children's book. Yes, it will make you cry. I'm joined by the brilliant Sara Petersen — writer of the In Pursuit of Clean Countertops newsletter and author of Momfluenced — to revisit Patricia MacLachlan's 1985 masterpiece, and I promise we are not being dramatic when we say it holds up. It more than holds up. It destroys you. We get into the very real and very wild 19th-century practice of advertising for a wife (one man received 794 letters, 13 daguerreotypes, and one thimble — just leaving that there), why Sarah Wheaton is a genuinely subversive heroine who would absolutely not survive the Ballerina Farm comment section, and what tradwife culture fundamentally misunderstands about what life on the prairie actually looked like for women. Spoiler: it was not sourdough and calico aesthetics. It was getting on the roof. We also talk grief and longing, Frontier House (the PBS show that radicalized a generation of history nerds), the Hemingway comparisons this book actually deserves, and why a scene involving three colored pencils might be the most emotionally efficient ending in American literature. Stay tuned for a future 411 episode connecting all of this to the longer history of Wives Wanted culture — and yes, 90 Day Fiancé. Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney [https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney]  TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Introduction: Why Sarah, Plain and Tall made us cry  05:30 – The real history of Wives Wanted ads (794 letters, 24 shirt buttons, one thimble)  13:00 – What this book is actually about: grief, longing, and Caleb's unanswerable question  22:00 – The yellow bonnet arrives: why Sarah puts everyone at ease immediately  27:00 – Tradwives vs. homesteaders: what trad wife culture gets completely wrong about the past  36:00 – Frontier House, Doctor Quinn, and our shared disease of prairie nostalgia  44:00 – The colored pencils ending, and why Patricia McLachlan is a genius TRANSCRIPT Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1543EYkJM9RvhFTP3nh0Dy_mxzQOPO5DhxlLoINm0fUk/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1543EYkJM9RvhFTP3nh0Dy_mxzQOPO5DhxlLoINm0fUk/edit?usp=sharing]  Connect with Mary: * Website: www.marymmahoney.com [http://www.marymmahoney.com] * Instagram: @mimimahoney [https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en] * Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com [MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com] Connect with Sara: * Website: https://sara-petersen.com/ [https://sara-petersen.com/]  * Twitter/X: @slouisepetersen * Instagram: @slouisepetersen  * Book: Momfluenced: Inside the Maddening, Picture-Perfect World of Mommy Influencer Culture [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780807093382] * Newsletter: In Pursuit of Clean Countertops [https://www.patreon.com/cw/SaraPetersen] * Podcast: Clean Countertops [https://pod.link/1872096797] Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline. Sponsor Message:  Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm [http://libro.fm]. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb [https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb] )  ---------------------------------------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy [https://acast.com/privacy] for more information.

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26. maj 20261 h 1 min
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Oh, we're really doing this. This month's bonus episode is the one I didn't know I needed until I needed it desperately: a full deep dive into Xenon: Girl of the 21st Century, the DCOM that has genuinely never left my brain, and honestly, why would I want it to? I'm joined by editor extraordinaire and fellow Leo, Kat Brzozowski (of Dolls of Our Lives: Why We Can't Quit American Girl [https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250792839]fame), and we do not hold back. We talk costumes, we talk Raven-Symoné's criminally underused presence, we talk about Greg and his many, many crimes. We also get into what this movie actually got right about the future, why Protozoa is the only trustworthy man in the film, and what it means that we are — I cannot stress this enough — closer to 2049 than to 1999. Zetus lapetus, indeed. Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney [https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney]  TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — INTRO & HOW KAT AND MARY FOUND EACH OTHER (VIA KAT’S SISTER SCOUT, PUBLISHING LORE, AND AMERICAN GIRL)  09:00 — Rewatching Zenon: the opening sequence as a masterclass in show don't tell, Leo energy, and the costume theory  20:00 — Greg's crimes, Aunt Judy's chaos, and the case for Protozoa  36:00 — Technology, surveillance, and what 1999 got eerily right (and wrong) about the future 51:00 — Girl power, Raven-Symoné, and why this movie has aged surprisingly well  1:05:00 — Supernova Girl, the songwriters, and the music that still goes hard  1:20:00 — Final takes, AOL emails, Lance Bass almost going to space, and why Zenon deserved more TRANSCRIPT Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cSyNza0TE2Ti0bFpDw51l9bW6eRnRKf7GVAu14dy6bQ/edit?usp=sharing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cSyNza0TE2Ti0bFpDw51l9bW6eRnRKf7GVAu14dy6bQ/edit?usp=sharing]  Connect with Mary: * Website: www.marymmahoney.com [http://www.marymmahoney.com] * Instagram: @mimimahoney [https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en] * Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com [MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com] Connect with Kat: * Kat’s Substack: https://katbrzozowski.substack.com/ [https://katbrzozowski.substack.com/]  * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katbrzozowski/ [https://www.instagram.com/katbrzozowski/#] Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline. Sponsor Message:  Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm [http://libro.fm]. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb [https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb] )  ---------------------------------------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy [https://acast.com/privacy] for more information.

19. maj 20269 min