Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 38 - Jon Cryer (Pretty in Pink / Superman IV / Lex Luthor / Two and a Half Men)

Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 38 - Jon Cryer (Pretty in Pink / Superman IV / Lex Luthor / Two and a Half Men)

This time I’m letting Jon Cryer talk. I’ve interviewed Jon more than a few times over the course of the past decade or so, and  I’m always pleased to have a chance to talk to him again. That’s mostly because he’s a swell guy and we have a nice chemistry whenever we chat, but if I’m being honest, there’s always that little voice in the back of my head that’s going, “Dude, you’re talking to Duckie.” Yes, Jon Cryer was Duckie in PRETTY IN PINK, and he was arguably the most relatable movie character of my teenage years, the poster boy for guys who were perpetually enduring unrequited love. I mean, I once made a mix tape that started out with a snippet of dialogue that still echoes in my head even now…   “I love this woman, and I have to tell her…and if she laughs, she laughs…and if she doesn’t love me, then she doesn’t love me. But if I don’t find out… Oh, I love her too much!”   But Jon Cryer is about so much more than PRETTY IN PINK, obviously, which is why – although of course we talked about it – we talked about a wide range of topics during the course of our conversation, starting with his current endeavor: a production of The 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee, in which he plays Vice Principal Douglas Panch. As of this recording, you can catch him at the New World Stages – Stage 3, located at 340 West 50th Street in New York. So if you’re going to be in NYC this summer, check and see if tickets are available, because I have it on good authority that it is a hoot. Beyond that, we talked about his Broadway origins, how his movie HIDING OUT ended up having a duet between Roy Orbison and k.d. lang, why so few people saw MORGAN STEWART'S COMING HOME, how his big plans for a specific career arc led him from a punk rock western into what turned out to be the lowest-budgeted SUPERMAN movie ever, and how the latter experience kinda sorta resulted in him getting to play the baddest, baldest DC villain of them all. He also regaled me with stories of being up for Ferris Bueller, auditioning for BACK TO THE FUTURE, and not auditioning for RESERVOIR DOGS. And,  yes, we talked about PRETTY IN PINK, including his audition for Howard Deutch, his first meeting with John Hughes, how he and James Spader planned out their quote – fight scene – unquote, and, yes, how Duckie was robbed. Well, that’s probably enough of an intro. It’s time to let Jon Cryer talk.

Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 37 - Sally Timms (Mekons / Marc Almond / Pete Shelley / Cowboy Sally)

This time I’m letting Sally Timms talk. Sally is a singer-songwriter who – since 1985 – has been a member and one of the lead singers of one of the longest-running bands to emerge during the UK punk explosion, even if it’s been quite a while since one would readily describe their sound as “punk.” She recorded her first album in 1980 with the help of Pete Shelley of the Buzzcocks – if you’re curious about how it sounds, you’re in luck, because it’s out there for streaming [https://open.spotify.com/album/6USBNXkwuFxV6g94eQP6Ba?si=4iNhIhUVSUeMXIoWHqNCtw] – but even after she released that record, it still never occurred to her that she might actually end up pursuing a proper career in music. That situation changed after she joined the Mekons in ’85, but even then, she probably never imagined that she’d still be part of the band’s lineup more than 40 years later. Granted, the band’s tendency toward cult status means that she hasn’t always been able to make music her full-time career, but she’s certainly been continuing to make music ever since. Last year, the Mekons released HORROR, and this year they released an album of dub remixes called HORRORble (mekons v.s Tony Maimone in Dub Conference). If Tony’s name rings a bell, it’s because he’s a member of Pere Ubu, and he’s really transformed the songs in some unique ways. We talked about that collaboration, and we talked about some of Sally’s other work with the Mekons, too, of course, including the differences between major and indie label life and her thoughts about the documentary about the band. But beyond the Mekons, we also discussed her work with the Aluminum Group, her duet with Marc Almond, being Cowboy Sally, and even when she provided a voice for Cartoon Network’s Toonami. That’s probably enough of an intro. It’s time to let Sally Timms talk.

Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 36 - Lukas Haas (Spider-Noir / Witness / Mars Attacks! / Criminal Minds / The Righteous Gemstones))

This time I'm letting Lukas Haas talk. Lukas was still in single digits when he made his film debut, managed to make it through his teen years without succumbing to any sort of scandal, and is currently in the cast of a series that’s sitting at a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes…and that’s on both the Tomato-Meter and the Popcorn-Meter. Not bad for a guy who – given that he only just turned 50 a couple of months ago – ostensibly still has an awful lot of acting ahead of him. Lukas made his aforementioned film debut in the 1983 film TESTAMENT, starring alongside my former podcast guest Jane Alexander and our guest star on Jane’s episode, Ross Harris, who I met as a result of his work in AIRPLANE! When I told Jane that I was going to be talking to Lukas, I half-jokingly offered her the Zoom link, saying that if she was free at the time of recording, I’d love to have her do a pop-in. As it happened, she’d already gotten a better offer: at almost the same time as we were going to be recording, she was going to be doing a TESTAMENT panel with the film’s director, Lynne Littman. By an even more enjoyable coincidence, the panel ended up being moderated by another acquaintance of mine – fellow journalist Tim Grierson – so Letting Them Talk got a shout-out. What are the odds? I bring all of this up because, as you might expect, the first thing I mentioned to Lukas when he hopped on the call was that I’d had Jane as a guest and Ross as a guest star, and when I explained how Ross and I had first met, I discovered that Lukas is a huge AIRPLANE! fan himself. Instant bond achieved. And just as a quick sidebar, after the interview I texted Ross to tell him how well it had gone, and he wrote back, “Brilliant human. Just straight out of the gate an incredible artist.” And then after a few minutes, he added, “Okay, maybe his drawing needed work straight out of the gate…” And with that, Ross sent me a drawing that Lukas had done for him when they were working together on TESTAMENT. Naturally, I instantly wrote back and said, “Holy shit, can I post that when I release the episode?” He said, “Absolutely.” In other words, if you’re not currently subscribed to my Patreon [http://www.patreon.com/lettingthemtalk] or Substack [http://willharris.substack.com], then you’re probably going to want to remedy that… Getting back to the episode, Lukas can currently be seen in SPIDER-NOIR on Prime Video, so of course we started out by discussing his work on the series with co-stars Nicolas Cage and Brendan Gleeson, but from there his whole career was fair game. Lukas admitted that he often found himself remembering more about his early work than his later work, so we talked about working with Harrison Ford on WITNESS without having any idea who he was at first (and then revealing the moment when he really figured it out), having Alex Rocco play his dad in THE LADY IN WHITE, roller-skating his way through SOLARBABIES, and having an amazing time working with Steven Spielberg. We discussed BRICK a bit, as well as CRIMINAL MINDS including the role he initially auditioned for on that series; how he basked in the big-budget bizarreness of MARS ATTACKS! and the more reasonably budgeted bizarreness of BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS; being on Broadway with Steve Martin and Robin Williams; getting a rare chance to do comedy on THE RIGHTEOUS GEMSTONES; having a close encounter with Paul McCartney; and, yes, we even discuss RAMBLING ROSE and his feelings on how a particular scene probably wouldn’t play today…and why that’s not necessarily a good thing. Okay, I’m not sure I could possibly do any more teasing on this thing. It’s time to let Lukas Haas talk.

Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 35 - Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners)

This time I’m letting Kevin Rowland talk. He's been a recurring figure on the UK charts since the early ‘80s, and on the US charts… Well, okay, he hasn’t exactly made any headway there in quite some time, but even in 2026, the sheer inevitability of “Come on Eileen” has continued to keep the name “Dexys Midnight Runners” a familiar one. Rowland founded Dexys Midnight Runners in 1978, with the band releasing their debut album, Searching for the Young Soul Rebels in 1980. It was a massive success in the UK, climbing into the top 10 and spawning the #1 hit “Geno,” but neither managed to chart in the States. Knowing this makes it a little more startling that the band’s next album, 1982’s Too-Rye-Aye, spawned a song that topped the Billboard Hot 100…and, yes, of course, I’m talking about “Come On Eileen.” The album even made it to #14 on the Billboard 200 Albums chart…and they haven’t had another album hit the charts since. There’s just no accounting for taste, is there, folks? But just because Dexys’ albums haven’t charted doesn’t mean that they haven’t continued releasing them, albeit with some gaps in there while Rowland was recording solo LPs. During the course of our conversation, we talked about all of them at least briefly, including their latest album, Love, which is due for release later this year. You can check out the first single, “My Life in England, Pt. 1” right now, and it’ll give you an idea of what to expect from the band’s sound nowadays…which, to be fair, isn’t so dramatically different than it’s ever been. Yes, there’ve been some changes along the way, but Rowland’s voice is still immediately familiar even after all these decades. I’ve talked to Kevin a couple of times in the past, but it’s been long enough that I’d kind of forgotten that sometimes he’s got quick answers to questions and sometimes, if you ask the right one, he’s got lengthy answers to questions. Thankfully, I managed to ask enough in the latter category to result in an interesting conversation…but with that said, brace yourself for the occasional moments of silence as well, mostly because I wanted to make sure there wasn’t more to come. Well, that’s probably enough of an intro. It’s time to let Kevin Rowland talk.

Letting Them Talk with Will Harris - Ep. 34 - John C. McGinley (Scrubs / Rooster / Office Space / Platoon)

This time, I’m letting John C. McGinley talk. I’ve wanted to interview John for many years, so the fact that that dream came true just as he’s delivered not one but two Emmy-worthy performances made it all the more exciting. I no longer remember where I first saw Mr. McGinley, mostly because he was in so many films throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s, but like most people, he made the jump from “character actor” to “actor I know by name” when he picked up the role of Dr. Cox on  Scrubs. It’s a role he recently picked back up when the series was revived for a new season on ABC, and it’s since been renewed for a second season, thank the lord, but what’s also been keeping him busy is another Bill Lawrence-created series, HBO’s Rooster, where he plays Walter Mann, president of Ludlow College and boss to Steve Carell’s character, Greg Russo. I’m not kidding around about McGinley’s performances being Emmy-worthy, either; he’s great on Rooster – as well he should be, as you’ll soon hear – and Scrubs has taken Dr. Cox in a direction we haven’t seen before, giving McGinley a chance to flex his acting muscles in a different way with the character. As I mentioned, however, McGinley was acting well before he got that first full-time prime-time gig with Scrubs, and we talk about as much of that career as time would allow…and when time started to run out, I read him all of the various things that you folks wanted me to ask him about, and it’s clear that he’s got stories yet to tell. During this conversation, however, we managed to discuss Stan Against Evil, Platoon and his relationship with Oliver Stone, Watch It (a personal favorite of mine), Car 54, Where Are You?, Office Space, and Three to Tango. Oh, yes, and we sort of talked about Point Break and On Deadly Ground, but…you’ll, uh, have to listen to find out what I mean by that. Okay, that’s enough of an intro. It’s time to let John C. McGinley talk.