Listening First

Safeguarding: Whose Job Is It, Anyway? with Linda Sayers

Safeguarding - it is a daily, ongoing process, not just a one-time action; and in doing so, building connections and trust is more important than striving for perfection. These are just a couple of nuggets of safeguarding wisdom discussed in this episode of Listening First. Patrick and Ben speak with Linda Sayers, a social worker and safeguarding expert, discussing the evolving landscape of safeguarding in rehabilitation. Topics include the principles of safeguarding, legislation changes, collaboration between private and statutory sectors, and practical strategies for effective safeguarding practices. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast 03:55 Linda Sayers: A Journey Through Social Work 09:45 Understanding Safeguarding in Rehabilitation 15:01 The Evolution of Safeguarding Legislation 20:20 The Importance of Connection in Social Work 27:22 Navigating Inconsistencies in Safeguarding Practices 29:10 The Evolving Landscape of Safeguarding Legislation 31:44 The Role of Private Sector in Safeguarding 35:52 Building Effective Partnerships in Safeguarding 46:22 Understanding Myths and Realities in Safeguarding 50:33 The Essence of Rehabilitation and Recovery 51:52 Introduction to Professional Curiosity and Safeguarding 54:14 The Importance of Collaboration in Safeguarding Resources Section 42 of the Care Act - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/23/section/42 [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/23/section/42] Working Together to Safeguard Children 2026 - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-together-to-safeguard-children--2 [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-together-to-safeguard-children--2] Frontal Lobe Paradox Field Guide by Ben Marram - https://theflpfieldguide.com [https://theflpfieldguide.com/] Linda Sayers on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/linda-sayers-0bb66551/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/linda-sayers-0bb66551/] © 2026, Patrick Boyd & Dr Ben Marram. All Rights Reserved.

The Healing System, with David Kenny

In this episode, family therapist Dave Kenny joins Patrick and Ben to share insights into systemic psychotherapy, otherwise known as Family Therapy, its relevance in recovery and rehabilitation, and how understanding family dynamics can improve support systems. Discover practical techniques, the importance of trust, and how therapy adapts to individual family needs. Resources: Family Experience of Brain Injury by Mark Holloway [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Family-Experience-Brain-Injury-Surviving/dp/1138896667/ref=sr_1_1?crid=38O4OZM9BLZQH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.41AZNPSALjYdWLGhBU5mJzI8TtqyZeaiATZScJa8w61i2MZyBvR1KkoRCX89xCMhA-7PjvrObjzk-1gdih72A9dHE4L4-tqEMPVaFxalNQXPBGQ3gyy_SnbIoYryk322hyeofSkHSrYOkESxNP7fMPDbJWUp5sJ0r5ydPTP-IPiMFjrEc5leI4yD_Ut8utMr521di7wYIZanxYAt8wda9dUiTA4K3613Enl6iD7sg5c.Y4TPnUys6xptLdaGKrG5gpzvVJlDEjtdlEx9cbUNWjQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=family+experience+of+brain+injury&qid=1777391552&sprefix=family+experience+of+brain+injury%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f] Association of Family Therapy (AFT) - https://www.aft.org.uk/ [https://www.aft.org.uk/] UK Council for Psychotherapy (UKCP) - https://www.ukcp.org.uk/ [https://www.ukcp.org.uk/] Newby Psychological Services - https://www.newbypsychologicalservices.co.uk/ [https://www.newbypsychologicalservices.co.uk/] © 2026, Patrick Boyd & Dr Ben Marram. All Rights Reserved.

The Cost of Dishonesty, with Lois Norris (Part 2)

In part 2 of this 2-part series, the conversation delves further into the complexities of fundamental dishonesty within the legal system, particularly in relation to rehabilitation and recovery. Lois Norris, a barrister, shares her insights on the importance of thoroughness, transparency, and integrity in clinical and legal practice. The discussion also highlights the challenges faced by clients in navigating their claims and the emotional toll of being accused of dishonesty. The episode emphasises the need for professionals to maintain a balance between scrutiny and support for their clients, ensuring that the process remains fair and just for all parties involved. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Part 2 01:33 Understanding Inconsistency and Honesty 04:21 The Emotional Journey of Claimants 07:47 Navigating Integrity and Transparency 11:36 The Role of Scrutiny in Rehabilitation 16:39 The Balance of Fairness in Legal Processes 21:54 Future Directions in Addressing Dishonesty 26:31 Rehabilitation as Evidence in Legal Cases 31:22 Misconceptions About the Legal Profession 36:27 Introduction to Thoroughness and Transparency 37:19 The Role of Detail in Professional Practice 38:22 The Importance of Authenticity and Integrity 38:45 Reflections on Imposter Syndrome and Mentorship 39:59 Closing Thoughts Credits: Patrick Boyd - Co-host/Producer Dr Ben Marram - Co-host/Producer Lois Norris - Guest ©2026 Patrick Boyd & Ben Marram. All rights Reserved.

The Cost of Dishonesty, with Lois Norris (Part 1)

In this episode of Listening First, Patrick and Ben speak with barrister Lois Norris for part 1 of their 2-part series which explores the complex topic of fundamental dishonesty in personal injury claims. Lois shares her insights on how dishonesty is defined within the legal framework (in the UK), referencing a landmark case involving edge sorting at a casino that reached the Supreme Court. The discussion delves into the nuances of what constitutes dishonesty, emphasising the importance of an objective standard based on societal perceptions. Lois explains the distinction between general dishonesty and fundamental dishonesty, highlighting how the latter can significantly impact the outcome of a claim, including the potential for dismissal and financial repercussions for claimants. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Lois Norris and Her Journey into Law 06:52 Understanding the Role of Barristers vs. Solicitors 09:33 Defining Dishonesty in Legal Terms 12:41 The Concept of Fundamental Dishonesty 15:43 Consequences of Fundamental Dishonesty 17:39 Real-Life Implications and Case Examples 20:49 The Impact of Memory and Inconsistency in Claims 23:59 Social Media's Role in Perceptions of Dishonesty 26:54 The Human Element in Rehabilitation and Recovery 29:54 White Coat Syndrome and Its Implications 37:56 Exploring Dishonesty in Law 39:06 Anticipating the Role of a Barrister 39:33 Outro/Credits Credits: Patrick Boyd - Co-host/Producer Dr Ben Marram - Co-host/Producer Lois Norris - Guest ©2026 Patrick Boyd & Ben Marram. All rights Reserved.

Music is Medicine, with Elizabeth Nightingale

"Music can do far more than you think." - Elizabeth Nightingale In this episode, Ben and Patrick explore the transformative power of music therapy, particularly neurologic music therapy (NMT), in rehabilitation. Elizabeth Nightingale, a neurologic music therapist, shares her insights on how music can facilitate cognitive, emotional, and physical healing. The conversation delves into various techniques used in NMT, the neuroscience behind music's impact on the brain, and the importance of integrating music therapy within multidisciplinary teams. Elizabeth emphasises the significance of personalising music therapy to each client's unique experiences and cultural backgrounds, highlighting its role in fostering connections and enhancing overall wellbeing. Elizabeth is an experienced Neurologic Music Therapist, bringing over ten years of specialist clinical practice within acute, inpatient, and community neurorehabilitation. She has worked with both children and adults across a wide range of settings, and has expertise in acquired brain injury, cerebral palsy, disorders of consciousness, and aphasia. She is a registered Neurologic Music Therapy® Fellow affiliate of the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy® and is trained in the Music Therapy Assessment Tool for Awareness in Disorders of Consciousness (MATADOC). Since 2018, Elizabeth has worked as an Expert Witness, drawing on her wide-ranging clinical experience to identify and cost appropriate NMT provision and specialist equipment for children and adults with neurological diagnoses. Alongside her clinical work, she actively contributes to the profession through several voluntary roles, including positions on the NMT™ Academy Advisory Council, Acquired Brain Injury London, and as Learning Disability Network Coordinator for the British Association for Music Therapy (BAMT). A few key links: 1. Neurologic Music Therapy® website  for those interested to learn more about NMT™, the research base, and training options: www.nmtacademy.co [http://www.nmtacademy.co] 2. Music and the Brain visual: https://www.merriammusic.com/research/the-neuro-plastic-side-of-melodies-how-music-rewires-the-brains-cognitive-sockets/ [https://www.merriammusic.com/research/the-neuro-plastic-side-of-melodies-how-music-rewires-the-brains-cognitive-sockets/] 3. Example video of NMT™ sensorimotor techniques in action for a patient who sustained a TBI: https://youtu.be/cq8fv3Hpoao?si=gWmgnB0I8yeNQ_dr [https://youtu.be/cq8fv3Hpoao?si=gWmgnB0I8yeNQ_dr] 4. Nightingale NMT™ website: www.nightingalenmt.co.uk [http://www.nightingalenmt.co.uk] 5. NMT™ at the heart of rehab visual: https://www.instagram.com/p/DReX9bNDXoG/?igsh=MW83a3R1a3JuNmRweA== [https://www.instagram.com/p/DReX9bNDXoG/?igsh=MW83a3R1a3JuNmRweA==] Guest Elizabeth Nightingale, Neurologic Music Therapist, Nightingale NMT www.listeningfirstpod.com [http://www.listeningfirstpod.com] © 2025 Patrick Boyd & Dr Ben Marram. All rights reserved.