At Fillmore East at 55: Long Live the ABB 🍄

At Fillmore East at 55: Long Live the ABB 🍄

At Fillmore East was released 55 years ago, July 6, 1971. My book Play All Night! Duane Allman & the Journey to Fillmore East [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505] is the story of that album and the biography of the Allman Brothers Band’s sound. In celebration of the anniversary, I excerpted Chapters 12 and 13 of Play All Night in four posts. Part 1: “The Allman Brothers did it all. On stage they were giants.” [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/p/fillmore55-part1] Part 2: “Some of the greatest live performances I’ve ever witnessed” [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/p/fillmore55-part2] Part 3: “This is the People’s Band. Music is for the people.” [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/p/fillmore55-part3] Part 4: “Best damn rock & roll band this country produced in the past 5 years.” [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/p/fillmore55-part4] And here’s a livestream with my dude Jeff Kollath JK [https://substack.com/profile/502930825-jk] to talk about the record’s past, present, and its enduring influence. The Conversation The recording. We agreed one reason this record is so great is how alive it sounds. Tom Dowd mic’d the crowd, an unusual choice, and the room’s presence gives At Fillmore East warmth—the opposite of a flattened soundboard tape. A band “in full possession of its considerable intelligence and stamina.” At Fillmore East was a full dose of two sides of the Allman Brothers Band, their exquisite taste and immense power. Jeff called them “solos of perfect logic” moving from restraint into full intensity and back, the record never losing its shape. Where does it rank? Neither of us has any problem calling it rock’s greatest live album. We threw out a few others, the Stones’ Get Yer Yayas Out, MC5’s Kick Out the Jams, Kiss Alive!—all cleaned up in post, the latter two considerably. Humble Pie’s Rockin’ the Fillmore, recorded two months after the ABB, makes the contrast plain: a 23+ minute “Gilded Splinters” on side two of the double album is indulgent and overwrought. “Whipping Post” runs the same distance and never loses the thread—a complete idea, start to finish, from all six players, leaving the room, and generations of listeners, enraptured. What the tapes reveal. Listen closely to the beginning of “Whipping Post.” Five fans call out for the song before it starts (it’s the third guy you hear clearly). Listen even more closely and you’ll hear at least two shout for “Dreams.” The crowd keeps screaming for more at the close of “Mountain Jam,” after a bomb-threat evacuation earlier that same night. Not released Live/Dead as counterpoint. The Dead at their best in that era, especially the first four tracks—“Dark Star” “St. Stephen” “The Eleven” “Turn on Your Lovelight”—but Jeff believes the Dead’s legacy rests on the two studio records that follow, Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty. The Allman Brothers Band built its reputation from At Fillmore East. I argue Live/Dead is not even the definitive Dead live album (that’s Europe 72, which has lots of edits in post). 🍄Play All Night! Duane Allman the Journey to Fillmore East [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]🍄 BUY PLAY ALL NIGHT [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505] Brought to you by the paid members of the Long Live the ABB community. 🍄MUSHROOM🍄MAGICIANS🍄 Brent W. Hammond, Craig Stevens, Ken Lupson, Laura McCarty, Steve Marshall 🍑 PEACH 🍑 PALS 🍑 Allen Barnes, Art Dobie, Baileys Mike, Bob and Laura, Bob Johnson, Brent Pruner, Bruce Miles, Buddy Lewis, Cabinetsales, Caroline Doolittle, charlie2541, Chuck Zumwalt, Clifford Morse, Craig Stephens, Cwktwo, Danbookin, David Manes, Dennis Newton, Denny, Ed Ashton, Ed Pokorny, F. D., Frank Young, Gary Nagle/Chairman Wonwayout, Gary Smith, Gary Williamson, George Holman, Hlnbkt, Irishbeatz, James Reynolds, James Yerrill, Jason Hecht, Jcsarphie, JD Guitar, Jeff Kushmerek, Jeff Schein, Jerry K, JoaquinDinero, Joe Sokohl, Joel Berger, Joel Tanzer, John Delaney, John Dolan, John Haughey, Jordan David, Joseph Lilly, Kenton Lee, Kevin Harper, Kevin Walker, Kurt Nielsen, Mark Leitner, Martha Haynes, Mike Clark, Peter Poulos, Phillip Page, Preston Root, Randy Woodall, Ray Tillman, Robert Porter, Rose Brandt, Scott Green, sswoger, Stanleyglennie8, Surrender Cobra, Taylor Kropp, Tim Langan (Hot ‘Lanta Tim), Tina Christopher, Tom Pragliola, Tony Gioia, Wade McCurdy, Wiszowa 🍄🍑MERCH [http://merch.longlivetheabb.com/]🍑🍄 Created this to honor the Allman Brothers Band’s March 1971 run at Fillmore East. You’ll see the original ad below, which had Johnny Winter at the top of the bill. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

At Fillmore East at 55 Livestream July 6 9pm eastern

Join me and past Conversations from the Crossroads guest Jeff Kollath to celebrate the 55th anniversary of rock’s greatest live record, At Fillmore East, which I count among the greatest artistic achievements of the 20th century. Join us here: https://open.substack.com/live-stream/267211 [https://open.substack.com/live-stream/267211?r=20o170&utm_medium=ios] 🍄 Sharing is caring. 🍄 🍄Play All Night! Duane Allman the Journey to Fillmore East [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]🍄 BUY PLAY ALL NIGHT [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505] Brought to you by the paid members of the Long Live the ABB community. 🍄MUSHROOM🍄MAGICIANS🍄 Brent W. Hammond, Craig Stevens, Ken Lupson, Laura McCarty, Steve Marshall 🍑 PEACH 🍑 PALS 🍑 Allen Barnes, Art Dobie, Baileys Mike, Bob and Laura, Bob Johnson, Brent Pruner, Bruce Miles, Buddy Lewis, Cabinetsales, Caroline Doolittle, charlie2541, Chuck Zumwalt, Clifford Morse, Cwktwo, Danbookin, David Manes, Dennis Newton, Denny, Ed Ashton, Ed Pokorny, F. D., Frank Young, Gary Nagle/Chairman Wonwayout, Gary Smith, Gary Williamson, George Holman, Hlnbkt, Irishbeatz, James Reynolds, James Yerrill, Jcsarphie, JD Guitar, Jeff Kushmerek, Jeff Schein, Jerry K, JoaquinDinero, Joe Sokohl, Joel Berger, Joel Tanzer, John Delaney, John Dolan, John Haughey, Jordan David, Joseph Lilly, Kenton Lee, Kevin Harper, Kevin Walker, Kurt Nielsen, Mark Leitner, Martha Haynes, Mike Clark, Peter Poulos, Phillip Page, Preston Root, Randy Woodall, Ray Tillman, Robert Porter, Rose Brandt, Scott Green, sswoger, Stanleyglennie8, Surrender Cobra, Taylor Kropp, Tim Langan (Hot ‘Lanta Tim), Tina Christopher, Tom Pragliola, Tony Gioia, Wade McCurdy, Wiszowa This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

"That light hasn't gone out yet" Representation, resistance, and what history teaches in hard times

Episode Overview Sue Ferentinos and I have been friends for eighteen years. When I needed an editor for Play All Night!—someone I trusted, someone who came to the Allman Brothers completely fresh—she was the call I made. She gave me a sharp outside eye, a historian’s instincts, and the willingness to tell me when I’d hit it and how to make it better if I hadn’t. That collaboration shaped the book in ways I’m still thinking about. Our conversation picks up where that work left off. Our Crossroads Sue looks at the world the way I do—through history. We’re two historians rapping on the many ways the past carries meaning for, and belongs to, everyone. Our life’s work has been in the public sphere. Her particular expertise is in gender and sexuality, two topics very much underrepresented in history’s stories. We also each have extensive experience working with and for national professional organizations. We are also each editors. I hired Sue to help me with the final pre-review Play All Night! manuscript in spring 2021. It was a bonus that she knew nothing about the Allman Brothers. Her comments validated my work as a historian and also my writing. She pushed me to clarity that the book benefited from—most notably in my comparison of the Dead and the Allman Brothers on pages 109-110, which are some of my favorite passages in the book, a place where I really felt I said something I theretofore was unable to articulate. The Conversation You see the world more clearly when you finish a project like Play All Night. The book was the culmination of a thirty-year intellectual journey and my headspace changed for good and for the better. I shared some insights I’d had since the book’s publication—particularly the gender implications of the band’s long hair as they toured the South in the 60s and early 70s. I wrote a fair amount in the book about the challenges touring as an integrated band of hippies, but it was not a core part of my argument by any means. The music was always my focus. But Sue showed me, through my own writing, that it is impossible to ignore how far the ABB pushed the envelope on this issue, and how influential it was to those around them. Southern men with long hair weren’t just flouting convention. They were triggering a specific kind of anxiety about gender roles, one that intersected at the crossroads of being integrated. The band were outsiders and outcasts as they toured because they posed a threat to the social order under which lay the ever-present threat of violence. From there we went deeper into Sue’s expertise. She shared how the 1950s were a period of moral retrenchment and traced how that set up the 1960s counterculture explosion that Duane and his bandmates were a part of. (Another area she pushed me on in my manuscript.) Young men weren’t just growing their hair long. They were rejecting the entire architecture of traditional gender roles their parents had idealized Our conversation moved to one of my favorite topics: public memory. Sue noted that historical markers don’t require people to opt in. They sit in the landscape, waiting. Sometimes someone reads one and learns something. We came around to the present. Sue spoke plainly about what she sees happening at the federal level—the effort to narrow the history the country gets told. Her argument was careful and clear: it’s not about avoiding controversy. It’s about telling real history, which is complex, which is contested, and which belongs to everyone who’s ever lived it. She closed with something worth sitting with. History taught her she wasn’t alone. Queer people existed in the past. Women existed in the past. So have immigrants. When she found their stories, it changed what she thought was possible. That’s the work—the accumulating evidence that people have always found ways through. As I often say, history is liberating. Resources Bob Beatty, Play All Night: Duane Allman and the Journey to Fillmore East (University Press of Florida, 2022). https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505 [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]. Susan Ferentinos * https://susanferentinos.com/ [https://susanferentinos.com/] * Interpreting LGBT History at Museums and Historic Sites (2014) Little Richard: I Am Everything (2023). Brought to you by the paid members of the Long Live the ABB community, who receive previews of new Conversation from the Crossroads episodes. 🍄MUSHROOM🍄MAGICIANS🍄 Steve Marshall, Brent W. Hammond, Ken Lupson, Laura McCarty 🍑 PEACH 🍑 PALS 🍑 Allen Barnes, Art Dobie, Baileys Mike, Bob and Laura, Bob Johnson, Brent Pruner, Bruce Miles, Buddy Lewis, Cabinetsales, Caroline Doolittle, charlie2541, Chuck Zumwalt, Clifford Morse, Craig Stephens, Cwktwo, Danbookin, Dennis Newton, Denny, Ed Ashton, Ed Pokorny, F. D., Frank Young, Gary Nagle/Chairman Wonwayout, Gary Smith, Gary Williamson, George Holman, Hlnbkt, Irishbeatz, James Reynolds, James Yerrill, Jcsarphie, JD Guitar, Jeff Kushmerek, Jeff Schein, Jerry K, JoaquinDinero, Joe Sokohl, Joel Berger, Joel Tanzer, John Delaney, John Dolan, John Haughey, Jordan David, Joseph Lilly, Kenton Lee, Kevin Harper, Kevin Walker, Kurt Nielsen, Mark Leitner, Martha Haynes, Mike Clark, Peter Poulos, Phillip Page, Preston Root, Randy Woodall, Ray Tillman, Robert Porter, Rose Brandt, sswoger, Stanleyglennie8, Surrender Cobra, Taylor Kropp, Tim Langan (Hot ‘Lanta Tim), Tina Christopher, Tom Pragliola, Tony Gioia, Wade McCurdy, Wiszowa LLtABB swag [http://merch.longlivetheabb.com/] This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

"I wasn't famous. I wasn't almost famous. But I was there." Chris O'Dell on working with the rock & roll trinity: the Beatles, the Stones, and Dylan

On Global Beatles Day (June 25, 2026), I’m ABBsolutely thrilled to bring you this episode with Chris O’Dell, who was on the rooftop the day of the Beatles’ last performance. It’s far from her only incredible encounter with rock & roll. Though podcast episodes are typically pre-released for paid members of Long Live the ABB, putting this behind a paywall was inappropriate on Global Beatles Day. Thank you to paid members of the community for making this work possible. Episode Overview Chris O’Dell answered phones at Apple Corps in 1968, added handclaps on “Revolution 9,” sat mere feet from the Fabs on the Savile Row rooftop, and lived at Friar Park with George Harrison and Pattie Boyd. She toured with the Rolling Stones, ran the Rolling Thunder Revue for Bob Dylan, and got sober raising a son in the middle of all of it. Leon Russell wrote two songs for her and George Harrison wrote one. Throughout her stories, Chris is both thoughtful and humble about her role as a “collector of experiences” in rock’s halcyon days. Our Crossroads We meet at the Beatles, the most significant group of their era not only because of their music, but because of their influence. The Beatles were Mom’s favorite band. I discovered them through her record collection. They were my first favorite band and have remained in my listening repertoire nearly all of my 55 years. Chris fled Tucson for Los Angeles and joined the rock & roll circus. Chris was very much aware of Duane’s role on Layla, and unaware of Wilson Pickett’s “Hey Jude” with Duane. We also share more than music: my own family’s history with addiction and recovery mirrors the years Chris spent learning to understand the disease, getting sober, and becoming a therapist herself. These crossroads run from Tulsa to Tucson, L.A. to London, Muscle Shoals to Macon, and everything in between. This was a truly delightful Conversation from the Crossroads. The Conversation The Beatles. Chris necessarily didn’t set out to work for the Beatles. She went to London at the invitation of Derek Taylor, a Beatles’ insider who served as their publicist. Soon after arriving in London, she added handclaps on “Revolution #9,” was there when John and Yoko made their first public appearance as a couple, and earned a job with Apple. She was one of only three non-Beatles/crew/film crew on the rooftop at Apple on January 30, 1969, the Beatles’ last-ever performance. She remembers the cold more than anything: January wind, no shelter, watching the street below as Londoners realized what they were hearing. Songs. Chris calls songs “gifts,” and she would know, having had three written for her. The first two were by Leon Russell, “Pisces Apple Lady” [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgaxpkY80qQ] and “Hummingbird,” [https://youtu.be/rokNTY_qLC4?si=mdXhA3V8MCs2mFjp] a relationship she discusses here. The third, George Harrison’s “Miss O’Dell” [https://youtu.be/K1Xb6HtWwes?si=mxzpHpTLm7TtRCee] was the flipside to his #1 hit “Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth).” Pattie Boyd and George Harrison. Pattie Boyd set the terms of their friendship early, “You can be my friend, or you can sleep with George, but not both.” They have remained friends ever since, including the period when Eric Clapton used Chris as cover to spend time with Pattie. Chris ended up finding the London flat where Eric and the Dominos stayed after returning from Miami recording Layla. Jim Gordon. O’Dell had a brief affair with drummer Jim Gordon. She was unaware the drummer had attacked Rita Coolidge on the Mad Dogs & Englishmen tour, only learning of it after Gordon chased her around a London flat with a knife. Had Robert Stigwood not happened to arrive unannounced, Chris feels certain he would have killed her. Gordon was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and spent decades in a psychiatric prison after brutally killing his mother. She feels empathy for Gordon, noting his genuine kindness, but not overlooking the underlying danger nobody had the language for yet. Women in rock & roll. Chris built space for women in rock & roll beyond the traditional role of muse. By her own count, she worked with more bands than any of the male road managers of her era. Chris is blunt about her experience as a woman in the music business working on two continents. The British end of the business treated her well. The American side was rougher. She never once had a problem with a musician. The friction always came from production crews and/or management: a gauntlet of misogynistic executives, managers, and agents. Miss O’Dell: Abbey Road to Tulsa Time [https://www.missodell.com/podcast/]. Chris has been telling her story for years. In 2009, she published Miss O’Dell: My Hard Days and Long Nights with the Beatles, the Stones, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, and the Women They Loved. A documentary, Miss O’Dell: From Backstage to the Frontlines of Rock History, appeared in 2025. And in 2026 she launched a podcast in conjunction with the Church Studio in Tulsa called Miss O’Dell: Abbey Road to Tulsa Time. Her guests have included Pattie Boyd, Leon Russell biographer Bill Janovitz, photographer Henry Diltz, Beatles’ hairstylist Leslie Cavendish, among others. 🍄Play All Night! Duane Allman & the Journey to Fillmore East [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]🍄BUY PLAY ALL NIGHT [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505] Resources Chris O’Dell * BOOK: Miss O’Dell: My Hard Days and Long Nights with the Beatles, the Stones, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, and the Women They Loved [https://www.amazon.com/Miss-ODell-Nights-Beatles-Clapton/dp/1416590943] (2009). * DOCUMENTARY: Miss O’Dell: From Backstage to the Frontlines of Rock History [https://www.missodell.com/documentary/] https://www.missodell.com/documentary/(2025) * PODCAST: Miss O’Dell: Abbey Road to Tulsa Time [https://www.missodell.com/podcast/] Paid members of the Long Live the ABB community get early access to Conversation from the Crossroads episodes and playlists. Playlist Here’s a Youtube playlist of music Chris O’Dell is associated with. [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPlOl6RoMwz4&si=EuIkerRxc9q_U_pG] “Hummingbird” - Leon Russell “Pisces Apple Lady” - Leon Russell “Miss O’Dell” - George Harrison “Layla” - Derek & the Dominos “Something” - The Beatles “Hey Jude” - The Beatles “Hey Jude” - Wilson Pickett Rooftop Concert - The Beatles (live 1969) “Hummingbird” - B.B. King “One More Cup of Coffee” - Bob Dylan (live/Rolling Thunder 1975) “Tangled Up in Blue” - Bob Dylan (live/Rolling Thunder 1975) “Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here with You” - Bob Dylan (live/Rolling Thunder 1975) “Tumbling Dice” - The Rolling Stones (live 1972) “Sweet Virginia” - The Rolling Stones (live 1972) “Dead Flowers” - The Rolling Stones (live 1972) Brought to you by: 🍄MUSHROOM🍄MAGICIANS🍄 Steve Marshall, Brent W. Hammond, Ken Lupson, Laura McCarty 🍑 PEACH 🍑 PALS 🍑 Kevin Harper, John Delaney, Terri, Mike Clark, Brent Pruner, Irishbeatz, Allen Barnes, Baileys Mike, sswoger, Bob Johnson, Bruce Miles, Buddy Lewis, Caroline Doolittle, Chuck Zumwalt, Clifford Morse, Craig Stephens, Dennis Newton, Denny, Ed Ashton, Ed Pokorny, F. D., Frank Young, Gary Nagle/Chairman Wonwayout, Gary Williamson, George Holman, James Reynolds, James Yerrill, JD Guitar, Jeff Kushmerek, Jeff Schein, Jerry K, JoaquinDinero, Jcsarphie, Joe Sokohl, Joel Berger, Joel Tanzer, John Dolan, John Haughey, Jordan David, Joseph Lilly, Kenton Lee, Kevin Walker, Kurt Nielsen, Mark Leitner, Martha Haynes, Peter Poulos, Phillip Page, Preston Root, Randy Woodall, Ray Tillman, Robert Porter, Rose Brandt, Surrender Cobra, Taylor Kropp, Tim Langan (Hot ‘Lanta Tim), Tina Christopher, Tom Pragliola, Tony Gioia, Wade McCurdy, Bob and Laura, Gary Smith, Wiszowa, Cwktwo, Hlnbkt, Cabinetsales, Art Dobie, Stanleyglennie8, Danbookin, charlie2541 This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]

"What kind of ancestor will you be?" Earth School, belonging, and why history liberates

Episode Overview Richard Josey and I have been in conversation for close to twenty years. He began his history career at Colonial Williamsburg as a pre-teen, portraying free and enslaved Africans well before we openly discussed the impact of interpretation of the enslaved experience on the interpreters themselves. Richard built Collective Journeys as a practice for helping institutions move from transactional to relational. He coined my current favorite phrase Earth School and built his business around the question, What kind of ancestor will you be? Richard holds his ideals and values without preaching them—until a moment in the conversation when the full weight of what he has built lands without warning. Our Crossroads Richard and I have a lot of shared experience. We’re historians, southerners, history museum professionals, girldads, and Gen Xers who came up in the museum field at a moment when community truly came to the fore. We have had rough starts and gotten tighter because of them. History is our common language; intentionality our shared practice. I wrote Play All Night during one of the hardest stretches of my life. Richard’s concept of the good ancestor was alive in me during that writing, even before I had the language for it. You cannot spend two years inside Duane Allman’s story without asking what kind of ancestor you intend to be. The Conversation We started with Outkast and the Dirty South—what that sound meant to a generation of Black Southerners who heard themselves in hip-hop for the first time. For Richard, it carried the sounds of the 70s—Bootsy, Parliament-Funkadelic, and the jams his mother played around the house. And of course, there are parallels to the Allman Brothers’ influence in the South in their own era. We talked about Earth School—Richard’s concept that life is always in session, that the lessons do not stop, and that resistance only means you learn them harder later. He came to his ADHD diagnosis at fifty. He came to therapy late. Earth School is the framework he built for people ready to understand why they put the coat on. The question underneath all of it came from Elder Dave Lewis of the Dakota Nation, “What kind of ancestor will you be?” Richard heard it at a conference and felt everything shift. He put it on a three-by-five card by his bed. It became T-shirts, mugs, canvas bags, a book chapter, a reorientation of his entire practice. Intentionality is a big part of the Earth School toolkit, as is community, which Richard describes as something fluid, relational, internal. “You and I don’t talk every day,” he told me, “but you’re still core to my community.” Community doesn’t require constant presence. It requires showing up with intention when the moment comes. We closed on belonging—why Richard moved away from DEI language not because he abandoned what it stands for but because he watched it get weaponized. Belonging is the end game. Inclusion is the mechanism. Representation matters and is also insufficient without intentionality. History is liberation. This episode brought to you by the paid members of LLtABB. Upgrade now and support the Conversation from the Crossroads. 🍄Play All Night! Duane Allman the Journey to Fillmore East [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]🍄 BUY PLAY ALL NIGHT [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505] Resources * Bob Beatty, Play All Night: Duane Allman and the Journey to Fillmore East—https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505 [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813069505]. * Richard Josey, Collective Journeys https://collectivejourneys.org [https://collectivejourneys.org] * Anacostia Community Museum, Smithsonian Institution, https://anacostia.si.edu [https://anacostia.si.edu/]. * Drive-By Truckers, [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0eIXb5QX_DZyu8yoI6p6v8QvJRUbQJTI&si=J4KE4UoFr66k9-QB]Dirty South [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0eIXb5QX_DZyu8yoI6p6v8QvJRUbQJTI&si=J4KE4UoFr66k9-QB](2004). * John H. Falk, Identity and the Museum Visitor Experience (2009). * Randi Korn, Intentional Practice for Museums (2018). * Outkast, “Jazzy Belle,” [https://youtu.be/8p8CWpoOOdE?si=sHHr4ODDTukls1Dv] ATLiens (1996). * Susie Wilkening and James Chung, Life Stages of the Museum Visitor (2009). This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe [https://www.longlivetheabb.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2]