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Tradwives, Motherhood and Traditional Values; Book Club: Yesteryear Part 2

58 min · 4. juni 2026
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Spoilers! Meghan Cichy, trad wife Leslie Voorhees Means, Selena Salfen and Alison Pill are back on the show for Part 2 of a conversation about Yesteryear, a novel about a tradwife, Natalie, and her curated yet frightening life. Yesteryear offers the reader two lived experiences for Natalie. One in contemporary times, the other in the 1850s. The novel switches back and forth between these two lives without context or explanation. In this second episode the group discuss their thoughts about the twist in the book. They also share their thoughts on the book ending, including predictions they'd had. This conversation gets into the complexities of motherhood and the different places in which the novel struck a chord for the five of them. Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilsonJessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies [https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/]

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episode Tradwives, Motherhood and Traditional Values; Book Club: Yesteryear Part 2 artwork

Tradwives, Motherhood and Traditional Values; Book Club: Yesteryear Part 2

Spoilers! Meghan Cichy, trad wife Leslie Voorhees Means, Selena Salfen and Alison Pill are back on the show for Part 2 of a conversation about Yesteryear, a novel about a tradwife, Natalie, and her curated yet frightening life. Yesteryear offers the reader two lived experiences for Natalie. One in contemporary times, the other in the 1850s. The novel switches back and forth between these two lives without context or explanation. In this second episode the group discuss their thoughts about the twist in the book. They also share their thoughts on the book ending, including predictions they'd had. This conversation gets into the complexities of motherhood and the different places in which the novel struck a chord for the five of them. Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilsonJessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies [https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/]

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episode Tradwives, Motherhood and Traditional Values; Book Club: Yesteryear Part 1 artwork

Tradwives, Motherhood and Traditional Values; Book Club: Yesteryear Part 1

No spoilers! Meghan Cichy, trad wife Leslie Voorhees Means, Selena Salfen and Alison Pill are back on the show for Part 1 of a conversation about Yesteryear, [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/780686/yesteryear-a-gma-book-club-pick-by-caro-claire-burke/] a novel about a tradwife and her curated yet frightening life. Each of them shares who, if any, of the characters they connect with. They also discuss trad wives and whether we can define them, the idea of family values and the valuing of what is typically thought of as women's work. They spend a lot of time discussing motherhood. They get into what a possible difference in Progressive and Conservative values may be, though that topic isn't fully resolved today! Part 2 will come next week with the spoilers of the book and our analysis of the protagonist. Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilson Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies [https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/]

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Re-release! Pronatalism, Eugenics, Fertility and Climate Justice with Dr. Eoin Flaherty

Dr. Oz has made up a new description of American women: under-babied [https://people.com/dr-oz-says-americans-under-babied-11972922]. So it was a good time to return to this conversation with Dr. Eoin Flaherty. The Trump administration has talked about using awards [https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/trump-motherhood-medal-pronatalist-nazi/], scholarships [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/trump-birthrate-proposals.html] and cash [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-5000-baby-bonus-incentivize-public-children/story?id=121094707] as incentives to have more children. People see Elon [https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/10/us/pronatalism-elon-musk-birth-rates-cec] as a leader in pronatalism conversations. Dr. Eoin Flaherty [https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/people/eoin-flaherty] is back on the show to connect the dots between population control, pronatalism, and the environment. Eoin talks with Jessica [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/] about the Better Baby fairs [https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/better-babies-contests-united-states-1908-1916] of the 1900s and the two talk about how race is the underpinning of pronatalism even if no one speaks about it directly. The two talk about fertility hysteria, and the difference between fertility rates and birth rates. Eoin shares what research is next for him, and Jessica thinks that he might get the attention of Make America Healthy Again evangelists. Eoin on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@eoinflaherty] Some mentions from the episode: Alison Pill's episode [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-it-awkward/id1698799122?i=1000677774049] Dr Paul Saladino AKA Captain Cotton Underpants [https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJre-9zupf2/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D] Adriana Smith [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/21/nx-s1-5405542/a-brain-dead-womans-pregnancy-raises-questions-about-georgias-abortion-law] Timeline of Ireland abortion laws [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43962738] Maternal death rates in the US [https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/racial-disparities-in-maternal-and-infant-health-current-status-and-efforts-to-address-them/#:~:text=Key%20takeaways%20include%3A,18.1%20per%20100%2C000).] Dr. Harvey Kellogg RELATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO RACE DEGENERACY [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1286411/] Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilson

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episode Anti-Hunger Policy and MAHA's Creep into Public Health with Meghan Cichy, MPH. RD. artwork

Anti-Hunger Policy and MAHA's Creep into Public Health with Meghan Cichy, MPH. RD.

People are hungry in America [https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics#foodsecure], in a country of billionaires, where food should be a human right, and the administration will no longer collect data [https://www.npr.org/2025/09/22/nx-s1-5549115/usda-food-insecurity-survey-hunger] on food insecurity in the US saying that it is "redundant, costly, politicized, and extraneous" and that number is only going to grow as people attempt to renew their benefits and the work requirements for SNAP go into effect. In this episode Meghan Cichy, MPH RD [http://linkedin.com/in/meghancichyrdn] returns to discuss her and Jessica [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/]'s recent trip to DC for the National Anti-Hunger and Policy Conference [https://antihungerpolicyconference.org/], and their time walking the halls of Congress. They chat about the Farm Bill [https://www.wbng.com/2026/05/13/farm-bill-heads-senate-after-house-vote/] that will go before the Senate. Meghan and Jessica get into one conference presentation in particular, and its surprising similarities to MAHA talking points. They also reference the People vs Poison [https://thepeoplevspoison.org/] rally. Next episode's topic will be Yesteryear. [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/780686/yesteryear-a-gma-book-club-pick-by-caro-claire-burke/] Sec of USDA Brook Rollins said that "we now have moved 4.3 million Americans off of the food stamp program." [https://wlos.com/news/nation-world/fact-focus-why-nearly-43-million-people-are-no-longer-receiving-food-stamps-05-05-2026] Food insecurity vs nutrition insecurity [https://www.lafoodbank.org/stories/the-difference-between-food-insecurity-and-nutrition-insecurity/] SNAP work requirements [https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-social-security-ssi-disability-benefits-cuts-parents-children] Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies [https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/]

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episode The People vs Poison Rally RoundUp with Trampus Harmon artwork

The People vs Poison Rally RoundUp with Trampus Harmon

Jessica attended the People vs Poison rally [https://thepeoplevspoison.org/] that was held in Washington DC on April 27th and Trampus Harmon comes back to the show to hear all about it. She shares her conversation with a Bernie Sander door knocker turned Trump supporter and the two talk about Alex Clark's [https://www.instagram.com/reels/DXo4cdVDjeS/] speech, Cory Booker's [https://www.instagram.com/p/DXpyDbbDm7y/?hl=en] appearance, and whether things were truly bipartisan at the rally. Trampus also shares his thoughts and experience with SNAP, from his farmer perspective. Watch the rally [https://thepeoplevspoison.org/live] Del Bigtree [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-hires-del-bigtree-anti-vaccine-activist-communications-director-rcna131859] Liana Werner-Gray [https://theearthdiet.com/] Trampus's previous episode [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zed_fiZOr6w] Steak and Shake MAHA officer [https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2026/04/21/steak-n-shake-chief-maha-officer-position/89718725007/] Like this episode? You can rate, review, subscribe, follow, share and comment! Questions about the show? Guest pitches? Email makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com [makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com] You can buy awkward merch [https://www.jessicawilsonmsrd.com/merch]! You can become a Patreon [https://www.patreon.com/c/MakingItAwkward] member and my dad will welcome you to the community! You can watch this episode at https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod [https://www.youtube.com/@MakingItAwkwardPod] Follow Jessica Wilson on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd [https://www.instagram.com/jessicawilson.msrd/] and TikTok @byjessicawilson Jessica Wilson's book: It's Always Been Ours; Rewriting the Story of Black Women's Bodies [https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jessica-wilson-ms-rd/its-always-been-ours/9780306827693/]

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