The Financial Side of Massage Therapy No One Teaches You with Guest Danielle Hayden

The Secret Behind a Full Massage Schedule

Most massage therapists think a full schedule comes from better marketing, more social media, learning another technique, or somehow working harder than everyone else. But after more than 30 years as a massage therapist, educator, business coach, and practice owner, I've discovered something very different. The therapists who stay busy year after year aren't necessarily the most talented, the most experienced, or the most visible online. They simply understand a business principle that most massage therapists were never taught. In this episode, I pull back the curtain on the three business systems that quietly drive every successful massage practice and explain why so many therapists feel stuck, overwhelmed, or uncertain about what to do next. We'll explore: * Why massage therapy is actually one of the simplest businesses to build once you understand the moving parts * The three cycles every successful massage business depends on: referrals, repeat clientele, and revenue * Why business growth often feels emotional and unpredictable * The hidden difference between getting clients and keeping clients * Why some therapists stay consistently busy for decades while others continually struggle to fill their schedules * The mindset shift that can help you stop guessing and start growing with confidence Whether you're trying to attract more clients, improve retention, raise your prices, or simply create a business that feels more stable and sustainable, this episode will help you see your practice through a completely different lens. Because the secret to a full schedule isn't working harder. It's understanding the systems that make growth happen. TIMESTAMPS * 00:37 Intro: why business feels hard and emotionally chaotic * 2:04  Core idea: every business has a system/container * 3:54  Comparison examples: bakery and retail boutique * 5:22  Massage therapy is relationship-based, not inventory-based * 6:18  The three cycles introduced: referrals, repeat clients, revenue * 8:59  Common mistake: focusing too much on getting clients * 11:17  Shift to mindset: stop asking “what’s wrong with me?” * 12:38  Overcomplicating business instead of strengthening systems * 16:24  Cycle 1 begins: referrals * 21:36  Cycle 2 begins: repeat clientele * 28:52  Cycle 3 begins: revenue * 33:35  These cycles repeat at every business stage * 37:41  Plateaus are transition, not failure * 39:54  Different business stages need different support * 41:20  Business growth is emotional, not just structural * 44:07  Massage is selling an experience, not a physical product * 46:55  Burnout warning and sustainability * 48:52  Closing message: you’re probably doing better than you think * 51:41  Final takeaway: identify which cycle needs attention next Offers Mentioned: https://www.amybradleyradford.com/class-bundle-page [https://www.amybradleyradford.com/class-bundle-page] Coaching Request Form: https://forms.gle/9gy32gHhBE5zRHTb9 Website  https://amybradleyradford.com/ [https://amybradleyradford.com/] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/] Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/ [https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/]

Stop Guessing, Start Assessing: A Conversation with Tom Swales

As therapists, many of us spend years collecting techniques, certifications, and treatment approaches, hoping the next tool will finally provide the answers we're looking for. In this episode, I sit down with physiotherapist, strength coach, and founder of the Advanced Movement Therapist (AMT) Certification, Tom Swales, for a fascinating conversation about assessment, critical thinking, recovery, and what it really takes to create meaningful change for our clients. Tom shares his incredible journey of surviving a life-threatening battle with sepsis, how that experience transformed his perspective on health and resilience, and why he believes clinicians need to stop chasing pain and start understanding the bigger picture. What I loved about this conversation is that we explore many of the same questions therapists ask every day: How do we know our treatment is working? Why do some clients improve quickly while others stay stuck? How do we move beyond symptom chasing and create lasting results? Whether you're a massage therapist, manual therapist, or healthcare professional, this episode will challenge you to think differently about pain, assessment, and the role we play in helping people heal. In This Episode We Discuss:  * Why treating the painful area isn't always treating the problem * The difference between guessing and assessing * Tom's remarkable recovery after surviving sepsis and organ failure * Why movement testing can reveal what pain alone cannot * How communication, trust, and hope influence recovery * The connection between psychology, neurology, biology, chemistry, and physics * Why clients need measurable proof that change is happening * How clinicians can develop a framework that creates more confidence and better outcomes Tom is also offering a free training on his website: 8 Neurohacks for Rapid Client Results – How to Reduce Pain and Get Clients Moving Faster Learn more at: https://www.amtcertified.ca/training [https://www.amtcertified.ca/training] Im still waiting to be your business coach! Reach out to me here: ABR Coaching Request Form: https://forms.gle/9gy32gHhBE5zRHTb9 [https://forms.gle/9gy32gHhBE5zRHTb9] Website  https://amybradleyradford.com/ [https://amybradleyradford.com/] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/] Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/ [https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/]

The Financial Side of Massage Therapy No One Teaches You with Guest Danielle Hayden

Most massage therapists are tracking their schedule, their clients, and how exhausted they feel at the end of the week… but not their numbers. And if you’re trying to build a business that actually supports you long term, eventually you have to stop guessing financially. In this episode, I sit down with Danielle Hayden, founder of Kickstart Accounting, to talk about the emotional side of money, why so many therapists avoid their numbers, and how understanding your finances can completely change the way you run your business. This conversation goes far beyond bookkeeping. We talk about burnout, money mindset, paying yourself consistently, separating personal and business expenses, building a support team, and why your numbers are actually one of the most powerful tools you have as a business owner. Danielle shares practical guidance on: * What a financially healthy massage business actually looks like * Whether a six-figure income is realistic for solo therapists * Why avoiding your numbers creates more burnout * The importance of paying yourself as a business owner * When to consider becoming an S-Corp * How to stop making emotional business decisions * Why the goal is actually to pay taxes * The four people every business owner should have on their “money team. One of my favorite parts of this conversation is how grounded and human it is. There’s no shame here, no pressure to “have it all figured out.” Just honest conversation about learning how to build a business that truly supports your life. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by the financial side of your business, this episode will help you look at your numbers in a completely different way. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction to Financial Awareness for Therapists 02:41 Understanding the Importance of Numbers in Business 05:23 Overcoming Money Mindset Challenges 08:08 The Path to a Six-Figure Income 10:59 Emotional Decision-Making in Business 13:45 Transforming Perspectives on Business Finances 15:43 The Role of Data in Business Decisions 20:37 The Importance of Revenue Growth and Investment 23:41 Understanding Profit and Tax Responsibilities 29:18 Building Your Money Team for Success 32:25 Transitioning from LLC to Corporation 35:14 The Value of Paying Yourself 37:14 Making Informed Business Decisions 39:31 Support and Services from Kickstart Accounting Offers Mentioned: Feel free to book a call at kickstartaccountinginc.com/book [https://kickstartaccountinginc.com/book] (and mention my name!) or visit their website [https://kickstartaccountinginc.com/referral-partner-swipe-files/kickstartaccountinginc.com/services] to learn more about how they can support your business financials.  Coaching Request Form: https://forms.gle/9gy32gHhBE5zRHTb9 Website  https://amybradleyradford.com/ [https://amybradleyradford.com/] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/] Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/ [https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/]

Stop Guessing Your Taxes

Most massage therapists don’t have a tax problem… they have a system problem. In this episode, Amy Bradley Radford breaks down why tax season feels so overwhelming—and why it has very little to do with taxes themselves. If you’ve ever found yourself scrambling in March, missing deductions, unsure where your money went, or feeling like your business isn’t actually supporting you the way it should, this conversation will shift how you see everything. This isn’t about complicated accounting or learning tax forms. It’s about understanding how your daily habits, your spending patterns, and your money flow inside your business are either working for you… or quietly working against you. Amy walks through the foundational systems that make your business easier to track, how and when money actually becomes taxable, and why waiting until April takes away your ability to make real financial decisions. She also dives into overlooked areas like cash tracking and mileage, and how small shifts in behavior can significantly change your financial clarity and outcomes. This episode is about learning how to see your business clearly—so you can make decisions earlier, reduce stress, and start building a business that actually supports your life long-term. TIME STAMPS: 00:00  Introduction to Sustainable Business Practices 02:34  Taking Control of Your Business Finances 07:41  Understanding Your Business Relationship with Money 12:54  The Importance of Tracking Your Business Numbers 19:32  Establishing Clear Financial Boundaries 24:12  Organizing Business Expenses for Tax Deductions 25:38  Understanding Taxable Income and Business Flow 27:34  Balancing Business Expenses and Personal Income 29:54  The Importance of Tracking Income and Expenses 32:45  The Role of Cash in Business Management 35:42  The Impact of Cash Handling on Business Finances 38:38  Tracking Mileage for Business Efficiency 43:55  Reinforcing Good Financial Habits 46:45  Creating a Healthy Business-Personal Income Relationship Coaching Request Form: Click Here! [https://forms.gle/9gy32gHhBE5zRHTb9] Website  https://amybradleyradford.com/ [https://amybradleyradford.com/] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/] Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/ [https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/]

Managing Your Schedule Like the Professional You Are

If you are a massage therapist struggling with schedule management, client communication, or keeping your calendar full, this episode will help you understand what’s really happening behind the scenes. In this episode of the Massage Business Success Podcast, Amy breaks down one of the most overlooked skills in running a successful massage practice: managing your schedule as a professional service provider. After a frustrating personal experience trying to find a hairstylist who wouldn’t return calls or texts, Amy connects this common issue directly to what many clients experience when trying to book with massage therapists. This episode dives into why massage therapists often struggle with returning calls, responding to text messages, and managing appointment requests—especially as their schedule becomes full and burnout begins to set in. You’ll learn how poor communication can quietly lead to lost clients, reduced client retention, and inconsistent income—and what to do instead. Amy also explains how online booking systems work well when you are building your massage business, but can potentially begin to lose effectiveness as your client base grows and your schedule becomes more relationship-driven. This episode will help you: * Improve client communication and response time * Build professional scheduling habits that increase client trust * Prevent schedule management burnout * Understand when to use (and when to limit) online booking software * Learn how to “work your schedule” to fill cancellations and increase income * Create a schedule that supports your energy, longevity, and work-life balance If you want to grow a stable massage therapy business, improve client retention, and maintain consistent cash flow, learning how to manage your schedule effectively is essential. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and the story of finding my new hair stylist  01:07 The Importance of Client Communication 08:41 Understanding the Dual Roles of Service Providers 16:07 The Hidden Work of Schedule Management 21:56 Creating Effective Communication Systems 28:06 Professional vs. Personal Communication Habits 30:26 Navigating Professional Communication 39:59 The Role of Online Booking Systems 45:45 Working Your Schedule Effectively 56:29 The Importance of Self-Management in Scheduling   MORE FROM AMY BRADLEY RADFORD: NEW! Massage Practice Health Snapshot - A 5-minute survey to help YOU figure out where you are at in your business! https://forms.gle/CUP4Rzx46rgEU9kZA [https://forms.gle/CUP4Rzx46rgEU9kZA] Website  https://amybradleyradford.com/ [https://amybradleyradford.com/] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.instagram.com/amybradleyradford/] Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/ [https://www.facebook.com/people/Amy-Bradley-Radford-Massage-Business-Coaching/61556419647184/] LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybradleyradford/]