The Man Who Decides What Cars Are Worth | MotoMan Podcast #019
What does it take to become the ultimate authority on classic car values? In this special vault episode, MotoMan sits down with Dave Kinney—the founder and the publisher of the Hagerty Price Guide.
From a fateful, unfiltered conversation at a New York City Shake Shack in 2006 that completely altered MotoMan's career path, to Dave’s own wild journey of turning a 2.3 GPA and severe dyslexia into a prolific writing career for The New York Times, Octane, and Automobile magazine, this episode goes far beyond simple market numbers.
Whether you want to understand market arbitrage, the real difference between fair market value and forced liquidation value, or simply need bulletproof advice on how to navigate the business world without being an a$$hole, Dave Kinney delivers decades of raw, unfiltered automotive & life wisdom.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Intro to Dave Kinney and the Man Who Writes the Book on Classic Car Values
00:01:04 - Vault Episode Context and the 15-Year Conversation
00:01:49 - The Shake Shack Conversation That Changed MotoMan’s Path
00:04:36 - Growing Up in Arlington and Learning to Listen
00:06:17 - Codebreaker Father, Lincoln Memories, and Winning the Parent Lottery
00:08:24 - The Car Wash Lesson Dave Never Forgot
00:10:16 - His Mother’s Lessons and a Teenage Cross-Country Van Trip
00:15:48 - Becoming a Car Kid Through Magazines, Models, and Family Cars
00:18:30 - What Dave Learned from His Father’s Entrepreneurial Side
00:20:41 - Working Around Exotic Cars at 16
00:23:35 - Five Plymouth Valiants and Dave’s First Car-Flipping Lesson
00:25:11 - Avantis, Early Profits, and Finding Value in Weird Cars
00:29:14 - Taking Trains to New York with Cash to Buy Cars
00:33:31 - College, Unusual Cars, and Early Market Instincts
00:41:59 - Coming Home, Real Estate Lessons, and the Parking Lot Business
00:45:56 - Contemporary Classic Automobiles and the $25,000 Move-Out Deal
00:50:46 - Why Dave Needed to Get Back Into the Car World
00:53:39 - How One Appraisal Question Turned Into a Career
00:56:09 - Keith Martin, Auction Seminars, and the Start of Automotive Journalism
01:01:12 - Auction Writing, Humor, and Making Car Stories Stick
01:03:54 - Writing for The New York Times, Octane, and Automobile
01:05:35 - Dave Kinney’s Three Rules for Writers
01:07:20 - How Cars That Matter Became the Hagerty Price Guide
01:10:29 - Monterey, Jay Leno, Michael Hagerty, and the Right Timing
01:13:23 - Building the Guide, Taking the Risk, and Stella’s Support
01:17:03 - What Hagerty Added: Data, Scale, and a Bigger Team
01:19:06 - What Dave Brought: Dealer Instincts and Real Market Conversations
01:21:20 - Fair Market Value, Liquidation Value, and Why Every Car Has Many Prices
01:23:51 - Bloomberg Terminals, Finance Companies, and the Future of Hagerty Data
01:26:42 - Why Price Guides Are a Tool, Not a Crutch
01:27:16 - Buying Too Early, Top-Quality Cars, and the Truth About Value
01:29:22 - Dave Kinney’s Three Keys to Success and Final Thanks
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