Episode 5: MurderAnd Pam

Episode 5: MurderAnd Pam

In this episode of MurderAnd, Ali and Jess unravel the shocking and twisted case of Pam Hupp—a woman at the center of multiple suspicious deaths, deception, and a web of manipulation that left investigators and the public stunned. Ali walks us through the timeline of events, from the murder of Betsy Faria to the disturbing layers of lies that followed, while Jess brings her cultural insight to the conversation—exploring how trust, caregiving roles, and perception played a part in how this case unfolded. Together, they examine how one person’s actions led to wrongful conviction, additional violence, and years of unanswered questions. This episode highlights the complexities of the justice system, the psychology of manipulation, and how easily narratives can be shaped—and believed. As always, your favorite besties balance thoughtful analysis with real talk (and a little Diet Coke energy), while honoring the victims at the center of the story. Show Notes: Follow Us: https://linktr.ee/MurderAnd

Episode 5 Teaser

This week on Murder&, besties Ali and Jess—Diet Cokes in hand—unpack one of the most manipulative and baffling cases in true crime: Pam Hupp. What started as the tragic murder of Betsy Faria quickly spiraled into a story filled with shifting narratives, suspicious behavior, and a woman many believe was hiding in plain sight the entire time. Ali breaks down the psychological dynamics behind manipulation, deception, and compulsive lying, while Jess brings her cultural lens to the public fascination with “unassuming” offenders and the media frenzy that surrounded the case. Together, they explore how charm, performance, and storytelling can shape investigations—and sometimes mislead them. Full episode drops Wednesday 6/3/2026.

MurderAnd Minisode: Kouri Richins

Welcome back to Murder& Minisodes — where we break down the biggest true crime developments happening right now. Today, we’re talking about the sentencing of Kouri Richins, the Utah mother and children’s book author convicted of murdering her husband, Eric Richins, with fentanyl. If you listened to our full deep dive in Murder& Episode 4, you already know this case became one of the most talked-about true crime stories in the country because of the shocking contrast at the center of it: prosecutors alleged that while Kouri Richins was publicly presenting herself as a grieving widow — even publishing a children’s book about loss — she was secretly responsible for her husband’s death. This month, that case reached a major turning point. Kouri Richins was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, along with additional consecutive sentences tied to related charges. But what made this sentencing especially emotional were the statements surrounding the impact on the family — particularly the couple’s children. In today’s minisode, we’re breaking down the sentencing, the emotional reactions coming out of court, and what could still happen next if appeals are filed. Show Notes: https://www.murderand.com/ Follow Us: https://linktr.ee/MurderAnd

Episode 4: MurderAnd Authors

In this episode of Murder&, besties Ali and Jess are back—Diet Cokes in hand—unpacking one of the most bizarre and unsettling recent cases: Kouri Richins. A Utah mother, real estate investor, and self-published children’s author, Kouri shocked the nation when she was charged with the murder of her husband, Eric Richins. Ali walks listeners through the psychological layers of the case—grief narratives, financial motives, and the stark contrast between public persona and private behavior—while Jess brings her cultural lens, exploring the media frenzy and the eerie optics of publishing a children’s book about coping with loss… after allegedly causing it. Ali and Jess break down the timeline, key evidence, and what this case reveals about image, control, and the narratives people construct to shape how they’re seen—even in the aftermath of tragedy. This episode explores the intersection of psychology and culture, asking: when grief becomes performance, what’s really underneath? Show Notes: https://www.murderand.com/ Follow Us: https://linktr.ee/MurderAnd

Episode 4 Teaser

This week on Murder&, besties Ali and Jess—Diet Cokes in hand—return to the case of Kouri Richins, but this time, it’s more personal. In this episode, Ali and Jess step beyond the headlines and into a more vulnerable conversation—reflecting on their own experiences as moms and wives in addition to the usual psychological and cultural analysis. And then there’s the detail that makes this case especially unsettling: after her husband’s death, Kouri authored a children’s book about helping kids cope with grief—adding another layer of complexity to an already troubling story. This isn’t just about what happened—it’s about how we understand it, and how our own experiences shape the way we see stories like this. Full episode drops on Wednesday May 27th.