Owner-Occupied with Peter Yoder

Everything You Know About 2008 is Wrong

In 2014, Kevin Erdmann was a value investor sizing up micro-cap homebuilders, expecting a two week study on the recovery trade. The data didn't cooperate, and two weeks turned into a decade, two books, and a thesis the housing agencies and the Fed have spent years failing to confront: 2008 wasn't a bubble. The crisis everyone remembers was a chronic housing shortage in five coastal cities, which regulators turned it into a generational catastrophe by destroying the construction capacity needed to fix it. We cover: - How the Big Short got the story backwards - Why 14 million adults are living with their parents - Compton got more expensive, not Beverly Hills - Why the 2008 crisis was the most popular public policy event of our lifetime - Synthetic CDOs existed because the supply of real mortgages had collapsed - Why half of America's $58 trillion in residential real estate isn't wealth - Builders can't meet demand even with prices high enough to justify it - How homes in low-end Atlanta lost 60% of value purely from credit policy - Why the 30-year fixed mortgage is a forced inflation derivative.

The Last Asset Class Without Equity

Brian Elbogen has spent a decade building the financial product that housing forgot. After studying operations research and financial engineering at Princeton and quant investing at Two Sigma, he cold-emailed the founders of Unison with a single claim: he'd thought more about equity financing for housing than almost anyone alive. They hired him. He went on to serve as Chief Investment Officer at Unlock, and now leads Jubilee — a company bringing institutional ground leases to American homeownership at scale. This conversation is a clinic in capital stack design, duration matching, and the structural reason housing remains the last major asset class without an equity option. Here's what we cover: * Why housing is the only major asset class where consumers can access debt but not equity and what that distortion has cost a generation of buyers * The trillion-dollar commercial ground lease market hiding in plain sight, from the Empire State Building to Chick-fil-A drive-thrus, and why the same structure has never reached residential at scale * How bifurcating land from improvements unlocks two fundamentally different risk-return profiles and why life insurance companies with fifty-year liabilities are the natural counterparty for the land tranche * The four pillars of institutional adoption: legal perfectibility, risk-return, financeability, and liquidity, and why most new financial products die on the first one * Why cherry-picking alpha through home price forecasting is a losing game, and what actually drives cost of capital down over time * The fundamental break between today's buyers and the advice their parents gave them and why "own everything or own nothing" is no longer a workable frame * Whether broad homeownership is still a defensible societal goal, and where the alignment argument breaks down * The coming wealth transfer, the limits of the lock-in narrative, and why existing supply will never unlock the way policy hopes it will * Starter Home 2.0: ADUs, cross-mods, systematic lot splits, rolling tiny houses and why solving new supply is a policy problem, not a venture problem * The 203K renovation loan, why it's structurally broken at the point of purchase, and the bridge product that would make it work * Why "if you can't beat them, join them" is the only viable path for new housing finance products competing against agency execution