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The Christian Past That Wasn't: Formerly Telling Jefferson Lies

Podcast by Warren Throckmorton

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About The Christian Past That Wasn't: Formerly Telling Jefferson Lies

Season Three began April 28. I am renaming the podcast The Christian Past That Wasn't to be consistent with the forthcoming book from Broadleaf Books, The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. This is so much more than a fact-checking book; it critiques the entire Christian nationalist project and misuse of history for political gain. Consistent with the first two seasons of this podcast, The Christian Past That Wasn't demonstrates that separation of church and state was the intention of the framers of the charter documents. We would be so much better off if we stayed true to separation of church and state in the US.Podcast summary:Telling Jefferson Lies chronicles how history can be hijacked for ideological and political purposes, as well as a much broader story about the surge of Christian nationalism and the misuse of history which often goes along with it.  The series begins in season one with an in-depth consideration of the methods of Christian nationalist story teller David Barton. Then I tell the story of how his book on Jefferson was pulled from publication in 2012 and the response of evangelicals to that rare event. From there, I broaden the scope to examine the varieties of Christian nationalism and the negative consequences of this way of thinking about church and state. The last segment examines the reasons why the separation of church and state is good history, good civics, and good religion. Season two consists of interviews with experts on Christian nationalism and the effects of religious liberty on church and state. For more information, go to http://www.gettingjeffersonright.com and http://www.christianpast.com.

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51 episodes

episode Al Mohler vs. The Constitution artwork

Al Mohler vs. The Constitution

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2286752/fan_mail/new] In this final episode of the season, there are three parts which support the concluding chapter of The Christian Past That Wasn't. [http://www.christianpast.com] The first part is former Secretary of Health and Human Services Ben Carson's false telling of Ben Franklin's call to prayer during the Constitutional Convention in 1787. Carson said the delegates stopped and prayed after Franklin called them to prayer. They didn't. This is the kind of folklore which I correct in The Christian Past That Wasn't.  The second part of this segment is a brief analysis of Al Mohler's admission that the Constitution doesn't acknowledge any Christian foundation. This significant admission came in a short video this week. Even though Mohler is honest about one aspect of the Constitution, he considers the lack of explicit Christian language to be an error on the part of the founders. Here is where he is wrong and I respond to Al Mohler's opposition to the American Constitution.  The third and final part tracks with the Conclusion of The Christian Past That Wasn't. I discuss separation of church and state in light of the golden rule and the moral teachings of Christ. I end the podcast where I started it by examining the issue of posting copies of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. I come down on the side that posting the Decalogue is an imposition of one faith over others and thus an improper establishment of religion. As such it violates the golden rule. If I don't want someone to impose their faith on me, I shouldn't do that to others.  In the words of Texas state legislator John Bryant from the podcast, "That's not fair, and that's not American."  Produced, written, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton Music by Netop, Jonathan Swaim, and Dustin Blatnik To get The Christian Past That Wasn't go to www.christianpast.com [http://www.christianpast.com] for buying option. The Christian Past That Wasn't Music Playlist Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6jP94UmS5sCwoB4Ex3ini9?si=C2d_agOxTfechFztsPVXgA [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6jP94UmS5sCwoB4Ex3ini9?si=C2d_agOxTfechFztsPVXgA] Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/d7a5977b7b4543f399f70463b226f4bfsune?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_qtlquXBX7hURQO7DbA05ImNSy [https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/d7a5977b7b4543f399f70463b226f4bfsune?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_qtlquXBX7hURQO7DbA05ImNSy]

16 Jul 2026 - 29 min
episode Christian Nationalism and Public Education: The Cost of Disinformation artwork

Christian Nationalism and Public Education: The Cost of Disinformation

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2286752/fan_mail/new] The episode begins with a role play of a teacher presenting a history lesson right out of the Christian nationalist playbook. Mrs. Johnson's students try to help her with questions but she doesn't take the help. Her disinformation campaign continues until slavery comes up and then the lesson abruptly ends. Could this happen? A better question is, what do we do now that it is happening in some schools around the nation? If you have read the book The Christian Past That Wasn't or been following along with the podcast this season, you should be able to recognize the historical errors in Mrs. Johnson's presentation to her class.  In this segment, I present another excerpt from the Texas State Board of Education which illustrates how Christian nationalist disinformation permeates opposition to public education. In this scenario a parent brings in David Barton's discredited book, The Jefferson Lies, as an authority and refuses to address a challenge to it. The parent appears not to know the book was pulled from publication due to historical errors.  There is a long history of conflict in public schools over religious differences. However, if religion is kept out of public education, this conflict could be avoided. A robust doctrine of separation of church and state is beneficial for public schools and should be enforced.  Written, produced, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton Classroom simulation acted out by Debbie Throckmorton and the grandchildren Music by Jonathan Swaim, Jonas Fair, and Dustin Blatnik For more information about Getting Jefferson Right go to https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Jefferson-Right-Fact-Checking-Claims/dp/B0DT9H7MTC [https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Jefferson-Right-Fact-Checking-Claims/dp/B0DT9H7MTC] For more information about The Christian Past That Wasn't go to www.christianpast.com [http://www.christianpast.com]

9 Jul 2026 - 30 min
episode The Texas Board of Education and Ruby Bridges: What Whitewashing Looks Like artwork

The Texas Board of Education and Ruby Bridges: What Whitewashing Looks Like

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2286752/fan_mail/new] This is an opportunity to observe whitewashing as it happened. The Texas State Board of Education has been revising social studies standards for students in K-12. One member wanted to remove a description of why Ruby Bridges was special in civil rights history. As the first Black child to enter an all-white school in the American South, Bridges helped open doors that are still opening. In this segment, I provide audio of the Board meeting which demonstrates the majority efforts to push aside minority concerns about the contribution of Bridges and representation in an accurate history. One of the board members who helped lead the successful effort to keep Bridges in the standards, Staci Childs Davis, joins me to talk about the meeting and her reactions to it.  In the second half of this segment, I critique Donald Trump's patriotic education initiative and speak to Jemar Tisby about whitewashing on a national scale as we move through the 250th birthday of the nation. This segment is a highlight of the season.  Produced, written, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton Music by Jonas Fair and Netop "James Baldwin was right about patriotism" by Jemar Tisby https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/james-baldwin-was-right-about-patriotism

2 Jul 2026 - 37 min
episode Did Thomas Jefferson Base the Declaration of Independence on the Bible and Christianity? artwork

Did Thomas Jefferson Base the Declaration of Independence on the Bible and Christianity?

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2286752/fan_mail/new] The claim that the Declaration of Independence was based on the Bible is common among those who believe America was founded as a Christian nation. Recently, Tim and David Barton are promoting the idea that the exact wording of parts of the Declaration was taken from sermons delivered in the early 1700s by Congregationalist preacher John Wise. They add that Cornell University history professor Clinton Rossiter taught that Wise influenced the American struggle for independence. This is supposed to bolster their argument about the Christian basis for the Declaration of Independence.  In this segment, I assert that the exact language of the Declaration is not in Wise's essays, nor does Rossiter say Wise was critical to American independence. A review of the primary sources shows that the Bartons' claims are false. This leads to a discussion of why the Bartons assert such easily disproved falsehoods.  Produced, written, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton Music by Netop, Jonas Fair, and Dustin Blatnik For more information about the book, The Christian Past That Wasn't, go to www.christianpast.com [http://www.christianpast.com].

24 Jun 2026 - 29 min
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The American Way is Separation of Religion and State with Freedom of Religious Expression

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2286752/fan_mail/new] Randall Balmer joins me for remarks about why he believes America is not a Christian nation and why separation of church and state is the American way. This is the topic of chapter 6 in my new book The Christian Past That Wasn't. In the book, I cover the topics in this segment as well as the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, The Church of the Holy Trinity v. the United States, and the views of James Madison. Christian nationalists have significantly distorted the history in this area to reframe and redefine separation of church and state. I go to the primary sources to show readers what the framers said about this important principle.  To purchase or learn more about The Christian Past That Wasn't, go to www.christianpast.com [http://www.christianpast.com]. Written, produced, and hosted by Warren Throckmorton Music provided by Roman Candle, Jonathan Swaim, and Netop. For a playlist of music used on the podcast, see this link: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6jP94UmS5sCwoB4Ex3ini9?si=0C7Woza2QRaKrIsvvJ_l7g [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6jP94UmS5sCwoB4Ex3ini9?si=0C7Woza2QRaKrIsvvJ_l7g]

16 Jun 2026 - 18 min
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