The 4th Wave in Therapy

Dr Hayley Kelly

DR HAYLEY KELLY In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the community. We delve into the evolving landscape of therapy practices, exploring the critical need for innovation and adaptation in the field. As societal challenges and technological advancements reshape the way we approach mental health, therapists are called to embrace new methods and tools to enhance their practice. Join us as I chat with Dr Hayley Kelly and discover how innovation is not just an option but a necessity in the future world of mental health care. Dr. Hayley Kelly is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and founder of Therapists Rising. With over a decade in the therapy room and a PhD in psychology, Hayley now helps therapists expand their impact beyond one-to-one work through her Mental Health 3.0 framework — a future-ready model for thriving in a digital-first, ethically complex mental health landscape. Her work bridges evidence-based clinical excellence with innovation, equity, and accessibility, equipping therapists to adapt, lead, and create change in a system that’s struggling to keep pace with the world around it. Website: https://therapistsrising.com/ [https://therapistsrising.com/]  Show notes and resources are available here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly [https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly]

Dr Gina Cleo

DR GINA CLEO  In this episode, Dr. Gina Cleo discusses the science of habit change and its profound impact on wellbeing. She shares her personal journey into habit science, emphasizing the importance of understanding how habits are formed and how they can be changed. The conversation explores the neuroscience behind habits, the role of dopamine, and practical strategies for establishing healthy habits, particularly around sleep and wellbeing. Dr. Cleo also debunks the myth of the 21-day habit formation rule and provides insights for therapists on helping clients develop new habits. Dr. Gina Cleo is a globally recognised expert in habit change and wellbeing, and is passionate about translating scientific evidence into simple, actionable strategies to help improve health, wellness and mindset-related habits-long-term. Gina has a PhD in habit change, is an Assistant Professor at Bond University, and an Accredited Dietitian. Her research has been published in highly reputable medical journals globally, and she has been featured in over 250 media outlets including Australian’s major television networks and leading print and online publications. She is also a regular keynote speaker and expert panellist at national and international conferences. In 2024, Gina released her best-selling book, The Habit Revolution, further establishing her as a leading voice in the field of habit change. When she’s not geeking out on new habit research, Gina is running courses through her Habit Change Institute and working the land on her acreage property. Website: www.drginacleo.com [http://www.drginacleo.com] Instagram: www.instagram.com/drginacleo [http://www.instagram.com/drginacleo]  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-gina-cleo [https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-gina-cleo]

Gavin Abeyratne

GAVIN ABEYRATNE In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Gavin Abeyratne, exploring the intersection of leadership, personal development, and innovative therapeutic practices. They discuss the emergence of the fourth wave in therapy, the impact of limiting beliefs on leadership, and the importance of understanding the six forces of change that affect personal and professional growth. Gavin shares insights on the role of psychedelic-assisted therapy, the concept of integral alchemy, and practical tools for self-discovery, emphasizing the relational nature of self and the importance of community in personal development. In this engaging conversation, Gavin Abeyratne and Dr. Peta Stapleton explore themes of personal growth, visualization, and emotional balance through guided meditation techniques. They discuss the importance of social influences, the process of visualizing future successes, and the dynamics of energy flow within the body. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of acknowledging both positive and negative feelings, embracing possibilities, and trusting the timing of life transitions. The session culminates in reflections on the experience and insights gained, along with resources for further exploration. Gavin Abeyratne is an autodidactic polymath that likes big words and even bigger visions. When he's not writing about himself in the 3rd person, he's studying consciousness or spending time with his wife, two lovely daughters and cat in Melbourne, Australia. My vision is to call in the best and brightest, and synergise our collective capability to catalyse an elevation in consciousness... no big deal. Website: https://www.integralalchemy.com.au/ [https://www.integralalchemy.com.au/]  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/gavin-abeyratne [https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/gavin-abeyratne]

Dr Carol Look

DR CAROL LOOK In this engaging conversation, Dr. Carol Look, a founding EFT master, shares her journey from traditional psychotherapy to energy psychology, emphasising the transformative power of EFT tapping and gratitude. The discussion explores the concepts of healing, anxiety, resistance, and family patterns, while highlighting the importance of finding one's own 'yes' and the scientific benefits of gratitude practices. Carol's insights provide valuable tools for therapists and clients alike, showcasing how tapping can facilitate emotional healing and personal growth. Dr Carol Look is a psychotherapist, Founding EFT Master, international speaker, and best-selling author of 2 books: The Yes Code: Transforming Sabotage into Success. and Yes, Thank You: Tapping Into the Superpower of Gratitude. Carol combines her traditional training as a psychotherapist with clinical hypnosis and advanced applications of EFT Tapping for unprecedented results with her clients. Known for her laser-like focus and state-of-the-art approach, Carol has used EFT Tapping for over 25 years to help clients release their limiting beliefs and emotional conflicts so they can enjoy lives of exceptional success and fulfilment. Carol is a world-renowned EFT workshop presenter and has taught workshops in England, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and all over the United States. She is a regularly featured energy medicine expert on leading global tele-summits, and is featured as a top expert in the field’s leading documentaries. For more on Carol’s programs, visit www.CarolLook.com. Websites: www.carollook.com [http://www.carollook.com]  www.theyescode.com [http://www.theyescode.com]  https://www.carollook.com/blog/ [https://www.carollook.com/blog/]  https://www.carollook.com/abundance-store/  [https://www.carollook.com/abundance-store/] Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-carol-look [https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-carol-look]

Celina Tonkin

CELINA TONKIN In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Celina Tonkin about her personal journey with a Desmoid tumor and how she utilized Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) to navigate her health crisis. They discuss the emotional challenges faced during diagnosis, the role of tapping in managing anxiety and pain, and the insights gained from her experiences. Selena shares her reflections on the importance of addressing childhood trauma and the transformative power of EFT in her healing process. Celina Tonkin, is a powerful Coach who has combines her 15 years’ experience as Hypnotherapist, Neuro-Linguistic Programming Trainer, to successfully coach and empowered hundreds of people to move from being stuck in dysfunctional personal and business relationships, overeating, debt, poverty mentality, to having freedom and power in these areas. Celina’s passion is working with otherwise persistent and difficult issues and developing and utilising proven programs to facilitate powerful results in these areas. Her flagship program, “The Missing Link, as an extension of the program EFT and Food Cravings, designed by my friend and mentor, Dr Peta Stapleton, who is an Associate Professor at Bond University and the leading world researcher in EFT and weight management. She has also co-written a book, with Dr Peta Stapleton, “EFT for Introverts” - to enable introverts to emerge from hiding and show up powerfully in this world all the while feeling safe and congruent to their own values. Website: https://celinatonkin.com/ [https://celinatonkin.com/]  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/celina-tonkin [https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/celina-tonkin]