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The Courageous Wholeness Podcast

Podcast by Dr. Max Klau, Founder, Center for Courageous Wholeness

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About The Courageous Wholeness Podcast

Welcome to the Courageous Wholeness Podcast, where inner transformation meets social change. The show is hosted by Dr. Max Klau—a Harvard-trained developmental psychologist and the Founder of the Center for Courageous Wholeness. The Podcast features powerful conversations at the intersection of inner development, service, shadow, and scale. Each episode lifts up the voice and experience of a remarkable soul who embodies the practice of living and leading with courageous wholeness. Join us in our mission to catalyze a global conversation about the need to live with courageous wholeness!

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18 episodes

episode Ep. 17: Zander Martin on the Developing Leaders in the Wildnerness artwork

Ep. 17: Zander Martin on the Developing Leaders in the Wildnerness

Meet Zander Martin, a facilitator, coach and educator who uses the outdoors as a context for leadership development. Zander is a lifelong explorer who was named Outside Magazine's "Adventurer of the Year" in 2011. He’s been involved with NOLS–the National Outdoor Leadership School-since 2008, and is currently a Senior Faculty.  He’s the Principal consultant at Treeline Development, his own consulting firm.  He serves as the Americas Hub Lead for TrailHaven, a retreat-focused executive development firm.  He has worked with NASA mission-crews, fighter squadrons, top-five MBA students, and leaders across the FAANG group, as well as top 5 companies in the automotive, brokerage, financial services, insurance, and healthcare industries. In this conversation, we explore the process of guiding leaders through transformational experiences in nature, and why reconnecting with the natural world is so important today. Learn more about Zander here: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexanderbmartin/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexanderbmartin/] TrailHaven: https://trailhaven.com/ [https://trailhaven.com/] TreelineDev: https://www.treelinedev.com/ [https://www.treelinedev.com/] https://trailhaven.com/ https://www.treelinedev.com/

7 May 2026 - 59 min
episode Ep. #16: Max Solo--The Semester That Changed My Life artwork

Ep. #16: Max Solo--The Semester That Changed My Life

In this first ever solo episode, host Max Klau shares a moment from his journey that had a major impact on the development of the work of Courageous Wholeness. Max tells the story of the semester in graduate school in which he first encountered the moral development work of Carol Gilligan and the adaptive leadership work of Ron Heifetz...and how those two courses led to a major awakening that occurred while making mac-n-cheese one night. Inspired by one of his favorite podcast hosts, Elise Loehnen, Max goes deep into the mix of developmental psychology theory and personal experiences that led him down the path to this work. Learn more about Carol Gilligan & moral development here. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan] Learn more about Ron Heifetz & adaptive leadership here. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Heifetz]

13 Apr 2026 - 31 min
episode Ep. 15: Adam Yukelson on Creating Transformational Virtual Experiences artwork

Ep. 15: Adam Yukelson on Creating Transformational Virtual Experiences

Meet Adam Yukelson, an expert on how to create large-scale transformational experiences in the virtual space.  He helped Otto Scharmer and the team at the Presencing Institute build an online version of their Theory U training, and then went on to help the team at Thich Naht Hahn's community of Plum Village take their "Zen and the art of Saving the Planet" course online.  He’s been involved in some of the most impactful and cutting edge efforts to bring transformational experiences online, and he’s here to share his wisdom on today’s pod.  Adam's website: www.adamyukelson.com [https://adamyukelson.com/] Adam on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamyukelson/] Adam on the Presencing Institute website [https://www.presencing.org/team/vita/adam-yukelson]

18 Mar 2026 - 59 min
episode Ep. 14: Thomas Legrand on the Politics of Being artwork

Ep. 14: Thomas Legrand on the Politics of Being

Thomas Legrand is an expert on sustainability, a spiritual seeker, and the author of a powerful book called The Politics of Being: Wisdom and Science for a New Developmental Paradigm [https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Being-Science-Development-Paradigm/dp/295775830X].  Thomas has a PhD in economics and  he currently serves as the Lead Technical Advisor for the Conscious Food Systems Alliance convened by the United Nations Development Program. He spends his days working to make our global food systems more sustainable by shifting the consciousness of the stakeholders in that system. Thomas believes that the current crises we see unfolding all around us are manifestations of greed, hatred, fear, ignorance, selfishness and other dark emotions. To move beyond these crises, we must create systems and cultures that are focused on cultivating more evolved ways of being. His book, The Politics of Being, is a remarkably substantive and ambitious exploration of what it could look like bring this shift to every facet of our civic lives. Thomas is both a visionary soul and an experienced practitioner working on the front lines of a complex public challenge. I'm excited to lift up his wisdom on this podcast! Learn more here: The Politics of Being: Wisdom and Science for a New Developmental Paradigm [https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Being-Science-Development-Paradigm/dp/295775830X] The Politics of Being website [https://politicsofbeing.com/] Thomas Legrand on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-legrand-b8406215/]

25 Feb 2026 - 54 min
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