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The DRIFT Transitions Podcast

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About The DRIFT Transitions Podcast

How is it that societies can plot the same course for years and years and then suddenly change at lightning speed? And why do sustainable innovations seem to pop up everywhere, while so few of them truly break through? To understand this, perhaps a new perspective on fundamental change can help. If we want to grasp how our society can truly transform, we must look at it through the lens of transition thinking. In this show, Wouter Mulders and a rotating cast of colleagues speak to a number of theoretical and practical experts about transition science. Because by understanding transitions toward sustainability and justice, we can also accelerate them—or at least, that’s what we hope. The DRIFT Transitions Podcast is produced by DRIFT, the Dutch Research Institute for Transitions, part of Erasmus University Rotterdam in the Netherlands.

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9 episodes

episode #2: The promise of hybridisation (with RESHARE) artwork

#2: The promise of hybridisation (with RESHARE)

After we've spent the first of these two RESHARE episode in a literal living lab that also does a little bit of mobility sharing in Oslo, Norway, we thought it best to speak to experts who were looking at similar initiatives across Europe. How can we mix shared housing and mobility in less densely populated areas? We hear from Paola Pucci and Giovanni Lanza from the Politecnico di Milano. These researchers are composing an atlas of accessibility practices. In doing so, they are finding ways in which the commons can come through to make mobility become more resilient and sustainable, even when the individuals involved have different aims.  But commoning is not a ready-made cure-all. In places where realizing mobility and accessibility is not considered viable for state and market actors, you might think that the community will automatically step up. But community initiatives can struggle with a lack of capital as well. So often, the smart move for initiatives is not to ignore companies and governments, but to team up. And in their atlas, Paola and Giovanni have included some prime examples where the housing domain can help out shared mobility initiatives. --- This podcast was produced as part of the Reshare Project, with funding from the Research Council of Norway. DRIFT has worked on RESHARE together with the Norwegian University of Life Sciences (NMBU) and the Institute of Transport Economics (TOI). To learn more, go to https://www.nmbu.no/en/research/projects/reshare Special thanks to: Marius Kooij for editing, Walvisnest for music, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over and Emil Beemer and Floor van den Elzen for feedback and support.

23 Apr 2026 - 22 min
episode #1: Manifesting a future full of sharing (with RESHARE) artwork

#1: Manifesting a future full of sharing (with RESHARE)

A meal, a toolkit or... salt? What was the last time you shared something with your neighbors? In the first of two episodes made possible by the RESHARE project, The DRIFT Transitions podcast goes to Oslo to explore the promise of shared housing an mobility. Because what if we could greatly accelerate shared mobility, which is key for future transport systems that don't break the planet and ruin where we live, by combining it with a way of living in which we are less isolated and more connected?  We talk to Emilia Wigum of OBOS Living Lab about their experiments with shared forms of housing to bolster community care and sustainability initiatives. With looming crises, rising prices and demographic changes imminent, she dreams of cities and communities that work more like a living lab, experimenting with flexible and shared housing and mobility. We then hear from Tanu Priya Uteng, senior researcher at the Institute of Transport Economics and RESHARE project leader. She argues that there are huge benefits to connecting how we design and use housing and mobility. But, warns Tanu, where there's a value for the collective, yet the responsibility rests on individual shoulders, finer-grained rules and incentives are needed to make the leap, otherwise we get stuck.  —  This podcast was produced as part of the Reshare Project, with funding from the Research Council of Norway. DRIFT has worked on RESHARE together with the Norwegian University of Life Sciences (NMBU) and the Institute of Transport Economics (TOI). To learn more, go to https://www.nmbu.no/en/research/projects/reshare Special thanks to: Marius Kooij for editing, Walvisnest for music, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over and Emil Beemer and Floor van den Elzen for feedback and support.

16 Apr 2026 - 30 min
episode Whoosh #3: The true value of not being disturbed artwork

Whoosh #3: The true value of not being disturbed

*heads-up: somewhere in this episode you may experience something strange in the audio. But don't worry, it's all part of the plan* In the final episode of 'Whoosh', we're ripping off a band-aid. What if, despite the opportunity to make renewable energy and ecology go hand in hand, there is a clash? What does it look, sound and feel like when offshore wind energy development is at odds with nature conservation? And what can help balanced decision-making when economy, carbon accounting and the true value of nature meet? To experience this, we ended up not far away from where we started this podcast series, in Pegwell Bay in the UK. Here we're speaking to head ranger Louis Grover, who is joined by Nina Jones, who works for the Kent Wildlife trust. We discuss the pressures on the local park and reserve, their efforts to halt the installation of offshore wind energy infrastructure and the thinking behind this Rethink Sealink campaign. And then, our podcast takes a strange sonic turn. We can't tell you too much beforehand, but it certainly provides food for thought when it comes to listening to underrepresented voices in transitions. --- This is ‘Whoosh’, a three-part audio series on listening to different voices in the wind energy transition. ‘Whoosh’ is produced by DRIFT as part of the JustWind4All project.  Special thanks to: speakers Louis Grover and Nina Jones, Marius Kooij for editing and music, Sheng-Wen Lo for his thoughts, artistry and enthusiasm, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over, Igno Notermans for feedback and support and Julia Wittmayer as well as the entire JustWind4All project team for making this possible.

29 May 2025 - 40 min
episode Whoosh #2: Marrying lines and blobs artwork

Whoosh #2: Marrying lines and blobs

This is ‘Whoosh’, a three-part audio series on listening to different voices in the wind energy transition. ‘Whoosh’ is produced by DRIFT as part of the JustWind4All project.  In these three episodes, colleagues Wouter Mulders and Stéphanie van der Raad are trying to shift perspectives by listening to sounds that they believe deserve to be better heard when it comes to offshore wind energy development.   —  In the second episode of ‘Whoosh’, Wouter and Stéphanie continue their journey into the complexities of the wind energy transition — this time, from the perspective of those who share the skies and seas. What happens when the drive for clean energy collides with fragile ecosystems? They speak with Samuel Wrobel from the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, who shares how offshore wind farms are reshaping marine habitats and affecting seabird populations, with 10 out of 25 species already on the red list. From avoidant birds rerouting their migration paths to the seabed forming an artificial reef on wind turbines, there are many unseen consequences. They talk to Cristina Madrid López from the University of Barcelona who approaches the wind transition from a systems perspective. As a modeller, she traces the entire life of a wind turbine — from construction to decommissioning — and looks at how to design better indicators that don’t just focus on energy output.  —  These episodes are part of the free training module ‘Leadership in Transitions’, but we think they’re a great listen on their own as well. You can find more info on justwind4all.eu.  Special thanks to: speakers Samuel Wrobel and Cristina Madrid López, Theo Jansen for interview and inspiration, Marius Kooij for editing and music, Derk Loorbach and Audrey Wientjes for voice-over, Igno Notermans for feedback and support and Julia Wittmayer as well as the entire JustWind4All project team for making this possible.

15 May 2025 - 40 min
episode Whoosh #1: Free energy? artwork

Whoosh #1: Free energy?

This is ‘Whoosh’, a three-part audio series on listening to different voices in the wind energy transition. ‘Whoosh’ is produced by DRIFT as part of the JustWind4All project.  In these three episodes, colleagues Wouter Mulders and Stéphanie van der Raad are trying to shift perspectives by listening to sounds that they believe deserve to be better heard when it comes to offshore wind energy development.   —  In the first episode of ‘Whoosh’, Wouter and Stéphanie accept the challenge to dig into different perspectives in the wind energy transition. So what better place to go than the eastern part of Kent in the UK? Quite near, but far away enough from where we live to fire up our senses, and with plenty of offshore wind energy turbines in sight to start a conversation.  We hear positive sounds about offshore wind energy in the towns of Herne Bay and speak to kitesurfer Morgan who is, no pun intended, a big fan of wind. We also get in touch with Stanislas from the Pooled fund on International Energy who puts our UK impressions in a larger, European context. He strongly believes that considering social and environmental dimenions when developing new wind energy projects isn’t a detriment to the success of new projects as is sometimes claimed, but actually an amplifier. And says it would be foolish not to take justice aspects into account.  —  These episodes are part of the free training module ‘Leadership in Transitions’ , but we think they’re a great listen on their own as well. You can find more info on justwind4all.eu.  Special thanks to: speakers Morgan McNamara and Stanislas d'Herbemont, Marius Kooij for editing and music, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over, Igno Notermans for feedback and support and Julia Wittmayer as well as the entire JustWind4All project team for making this possible

8 May 2025 - 37 min
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