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The Energy Pragmatist

Podcast by PRAGMA Energy featuring Amy Miller and Ben West

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About The Energy Pragmatist

Energy illiteracy is at an all-time high with a lack of understanding and appreciation for the importance of the oil & gas sector. The Energy Pragmatist podcast exists to have candid, pragmatic conversations with energy leaders to help educate policymakers, generalist investors and the wider public about: 1/The importance of an “all of the above” strategy when it comes to meeting our energy needs 2/ Debunking the myth that O&G and Energy Transition investing are mutually exclusive 3/Highlighting new technologies that deliver reliable, affordable energy and reduce global greenhouse gas emission

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16 episodes

episode EP. 14 Interview with Ken Hersh | Why Energy Investing Is Ultimately a People Business artwork

EP. 14 Interview with Ken Hersh | Why Energy Investing Is Ultimately a People Business

In this episode of The Energy Pragmatist, interviewer Ben West sits down with Ken Hersh, Chairman of HFI Capital Management and co-founder of NGP, for a wide-ranging conversation on commodity cycles, geopolitics, and the evolving investment landscape in oil and gas. Drawing on decades of experience, Hersh shares lessons from building one of the most influential energy private equity firms, discusses why successful investing ultimately comes down to backing great people, and unpacks how today’s market volatility, LNG demand, and global supply risks are reshaping energy markets. The discussion offers valuable insights for family offices and long-term investors navigating the future of energy investing.

13 May 2026 - 36 min
episode Ep. 12 Interview with Daniel Herz, Chief Executive Officer, WhiteHawk Energy artwork

Ep. 12 Interview with Daniel Herz, Chief Executive Officer, WhiteHawk Energy

In this episode, Ben West speaks with Daniel Herz, Chief Executive Officer of WhiteHawk Energy, about the investment case for minerals and royalties and why they are increasingly attracting attention from allocators. Drawing on nearly three decades in the energy industry, Herz explains why he believes the minerals model offers a more resilient and capital efficient way to gain exposure to oil and gas, with minimal operating costs and no capital expenditure requirements. The conversation explores how rising electricity demand, particularly from AI and data centres, is strengthening the long term outlook for natural gas, and why minerals can provide a way to participate in that growth while maintaining downside protection. Herz also discusses how family offices are approaching the sector, how WhiteHawk is building a large scale natural gas minerals platform, and why he believes the space deserves closer attention from a broader set of investors.

11 Mar 2026 - 44 min
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