The Grown-Up Table: Conversations On Character And Life

Can Organized Religion Survive?

Is organized religion truly losing its relevance, or is it struggling to communicate its message in a way that connects in today’s world? The Rev. Dr. Christopher D. Girata, Rector of Saint Michael and All Angels Church, unpacks the evolving landscape of faith, from shifting church attendance to generational perspectives on belief and belonging. He explores the tension between preserving sacred tradition and adapting to a culture that often meets faith with skepticism. Girata challenges the idea that faith is fading, suggesting instead that it may need a new language—one rooted in authenticity, humility, and thoughtful leadership. Tune in for a compelling look at how faith communities can rediscover their voice, lean into mystery, and find meaningful ways to resonate in a rapidly changing world.

Sleep Divorce: Can It Save Your Marriage?

What if sleeping apart could actually bring you closer? Katrina Watland, founder of TrueNorth, joins Grant Swartzwelder to unpack the surprising benefits of a “sleep divorce” and how separate bedrooms might actually protect both your rest and your relationship. Sleep plays a bigger role than we think—not just in our health, but in how we show up for each other. In this episode, Katrina helps demystify the idea of couples choosing to sleep separately, sharing how it can improve sleep quality, reduce tension, and ultimately strengthen intimacy rather than diminish it. Tune in to hear why prioritizing rest could be the unexpected key to a deeper connection and a healthier partnership.

The Punch Monkey Effect: Empathy in Today's World

Liliana Zani, Senior Social Emotional Learning Analyst at WGU, joins us for a conversation that gets to the heart of what empathy really means—and why it’s more important than ever. From personal relationships to leadership, Liliana shares how empathy is something we’re born with, yet often learn to suppress over time. Drawing on her background in social-emotional learning, she breaks down how we can rebuild that connection in a world that feels increasingly divided.  If you’ve ever wondered how to better understand others (and yourself), this one’s worth a listen.

Is Prayer an Action or a Deflection?

Prayer often feels instinctive when tragedy strikes, but is it truly a form of action or merely an emotional refuge? In this episode, Grant Swartzwelder sits down with The Rev. Dr. Christopher D. Girata, Rector of St. Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church, to explore the deeper purpose of prayer and its role in shaping identity, inspiring community, and motivating meaningful action both in times of crisis and celebration.

From Ground Zero on 9/11 to a Life of Faith and Courage

On September 11, 2001, Darin Kinder, a young Secret Service agent stationed in the World Trade Center, found himself thrust into unimaginable chaos and danger. In this episode, Darin shares a gripping firsthand account of that day’s harrowing events, revealing how his faith, courage, and commitment shaped his response and inspired his lifelong mission captured in his book, Bury Me in a Dirty Suit.