The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast

Flattery Will Get You Everywhere, But Should It?

Episode 69 of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast features former police chiefs Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir diving into the complicated relationship between leadership, influence, and authenticity through the lens of Stanford professor Jeffrey Pfeffer’s book The Power Playbook. The conversation explores everything from executive presence and personal branding to networking and mentorship, while also challenging some of Pfeffer’s more controversial ideas about flattery, image, and apologies in leadership. Throughout the episode, Kristen and Sylvia wrestle with the tension between perception and substance, ultimately arguing that strong leadership is built on credibility, self-awareness, and the willingness to own mistakes while continuing to grow.

Shirts vs. Skins

In Episode 68 of the Hollow Bunny Leadership podcast, "Shirts vs Skins," former police chiefs Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir dive into the ultimate trial of leadership: what to do when something goes wrong on your watch and the spotlight lands squarely on you. Rejecting the instinctual urge to protect the ego or retreat into "hollow" silence, they challenge leaders to face public scrutiny with thick skin and unshakeable character. Through a breakdown of their own decision-making frameworks – and a deep dive into an iconic pressroom scene from The American President – Kristen and Sylvia lay down a powerful blueprint for confronting accusations, distinguishing between mere noise and genuine accountability, and avoiding the trap of professional obfuscation. Tune in to learn how true leaders stop managing the damage and start leading the narrative with courage, truth, and decisive action.

This Ain't No Dumpster Fire

In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen and Sylvia explore why some leaders feel their agency is slipping and begin to withdraw under constant pressure, scrutiny, and uncertainty. They argue that while brief moments of retreat can be healthy, chronic disengagement harms organizations and often shows up as avoiding hard decisions, playing it safe, or becoming reactive. The conversation emphasizes that leadership today requires courage, resilience, and the ability to tolerate ambiguity rather than waiting for perfect conditions. Through stories and examples, they challenge leaders to recognize when withdrawal is happening, examine what they may be avoiding, and recommit to shaping culture instead of hiding from the choices that define it.

Is Obsolescence A Word?

In Episode 66 of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Producer Ted unexpectedly stays on mic and camera—rarely heard but fittingly present—adding to the group’s candid, unscripted dynamic as Kristen and Sylvia dive into a core leadership question: when is it your responsibility to confront someone whose behavior is damaging their reputation or harming others? Beneath the humor and back-and-forth, the conversation wrestles with “open secrets,” the tendency to avoid hard conversations due to fear or self-interest, and the moral gray areas around credibility, relationships, and firsthand knowledge. They explore real-world examples, including public figures and workplace dynamics, to highlight how silence can enable harmful behavior, while also acknowledging the risks of speaking up. Ultimately, the episode lands on a clear challenge: leaders—and really anyone—must develop the judgment and courage to step in when it matters, especially when others are being harmed, recognizing that while outcomes aren’t guaranteed, the responsibility to act often is.

Low-Key Secondhand Anxiety

In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, former police chiefs Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir use a chaotic, uncomfortable round of golf to explore a bigger question: how do you know when it’s time to leave—whether in a situation, a relationship, or a leadership role? Through candid storytelling and reflection, they unpack the tendency to “stay too long,” often driven by fear, identity, or a desire to be kind, and examine how that choice can impact both personal well-being and others. The conversation expands into leadership, highlighting the responsibility to build a strong bench, avoid clinging to power, and recognize when staying serves self over mission. Ultimately, they challenge listeners to be honest with themselves, noting that true leadership is measured not by how long you stay, but by what happens after you leave.