The Industrial Wi-Fi Shop Podcast
Podcast by Scott McNeil
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10 episodesContact the guys at the Industrial Wi-Fi Shop! Scott – scott@industrialwifishop.com Jeremy – jeremy@industrialwifishop.com R-Coax Deep Dive High Level * What is Radiating Cable? Is it “Wire for a wireless system?” Let’s dig in. * Leaky Coax is an extruded copper core, with an external copper sheath. Featuring slits along one side which allow RF to escape (the matrix). * It is composed of just four components. An inner conductor, a dielectric or low density PE layer, an outer conductor with slots, and a cable jacket. This technology has been around for 40-50 years from what I can tell. * The slits allow emission of certain frequencies. * [https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/docsz/AD_4nXc7ePyN4zbV6E9xoNynJtR2ByF9sTnHF610WJQVwPo8lJDIm1Wteijsupl8-cZm71W0lrLHt3s-9LTgw8lMr4r1pxuxEcSehtbAxDHeFInPiNOm-ffxD4w2AXqvvAJgcxpOCOwUMLp-2a4JcVcTolCthEg?key=wTsSMFnwB6HQ3jRI_HAtmA] * [https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/docsz/AD_4nXfnVpE3sdBseGiASlDGIHAXR3to29Q4QftfcbhdXe-0SchvUaU6k7wVEIA8YJ5V2NncNtEOcXcZ1Cac0VrrWc9NiyTE12KbFu3fuZu2fJjlD3A5tY61-HDMkqDPZ2Xv_PFb-t6KHp9_6NvEnSqm3O_276f8?key=wTsSMFnwB6HQ3jRI_HAtmA] It goes by several names, but most commonly referred to (by me) as leaky coax. You may have heard of: * Radiant Coax * Radiating Cable * Leaky Coax * Leaky Feeder * RCoax * The standard boiler plate use cases are AGV systems, overhead cranes, rotating machinery, skillet systems, monorails, mining, even tunnels in some cellular applications. We deploy it in these scenarios and also entertainment applications. This stuff is a pain to get in, stiff and easy to damage if you aren’t careful. Siemens documentation says it has a spatially limited radio link, but the stuff can be detected up to 30 meters away if using enough power from the radio. The main benefit is that it replaces things like slip rings where constant flexing of ethernet cables leads to wear and failure. RF Propagation * This can work in 2.4GHz, 5GHz and also the new 1.21 Gigawatts band they teased for release in early 2025 * Think about it kinda like one of this perforated garden hoses, a little water comes out at every inch of the cable. * I call it the astropop, essentially at the head end, where the most energy comes out it’s the broad base of a cone and tapers to the end of the cable. * Near field 2-10 cm * Far Field: 0 to 3M * Typical loss (approximate) per 100m 17dbm for 2.4 and 27 for 5GHz * Segment length reduces transmission rate. Installation There is a ridge on the back side of the transmission surface, which is used to align the cable. Make sure your antenna is on the side of the remote antenna. Not intended to be mounted directly to surfaces, requires standoffs with a minimum of about 5cm. Secure with a clip at least every meter. There are metal reinforced clips available for more secure mounting and can be interspersed every 10 meters. YMMV DO NOT MOUNT CLOSE TO BUS BARS!!! A 480 bus bar is an electrical connection point that distributes and transports electricity. SHOEs or Induction of current. Think of a trolley. <— Wanna hear about how I got shocked? Some radio vendors recommend overlap, some don’t. Can be installed outdoors. If it is in danger of being stepped on you can protect with something like cable tray. <— Picked this tip up from some smart guys on a carousel installation A hacksaw file and a few wrenches is all you really need to put the N-Type connectors on the end. Don’t use snips. You can also use rubber pipe wrenches to help grip for twisting the cable as you lay it or fix misalignments. Best Practices Keep the antenna within 1” to 2 meters, you can get away with a longer distance though. The signal will degrade the further you get away from the cable. If you can reach out and touch the coax, you should be good to go. Don’t put it in channels. Check the alignment with the ridge, then check it again every few weeks after initial install make sure it settles into the installation. This stuff will relax after some time. Don’t get shocked, or do, but don’t say I didn’t warn you. Keep it the minimum distance from high voltage rails. Keep the remote antenna in line with the central axis of the EM field. Mind the bend radius. Torque stripe the cable at the clips for easy visual inspection. Do this after the cable has settled. Don’t install the radio in EX zones (Class1, Div 2 – explosive zones), cable is passive so treat it like an antenna Be mindful of common outdoor, corrosive environments and follow the same component sealing best practices. Not sure about direct burial of this stuff, but it might work. Typically we only use this as SISO, though it appears ProSoft will allow you to install using two tx chains. You can dual feed and use something like a UNII-1 and UNII-2 channel to send signals from both ends. This is an exotic application so be wary of the hardware you use. Angling antennas slightly improves performance. Fun Stuff My most famous project and probably the only one I can talk about with much detail is the Secret Life of Pets ride in Universal Studios Hollywood. Got it in right before Covid locked everything down. We won an award for this ride. It is what is referred to as an omni mover. The cable is installed inside the machine guarding and has tons of bends and turns in it. A few takeaways, not all unions are the same, which is fun. I learned about the delicate nature of sitting around waiting on someone who has no idea what they are doing install hardware while I scream internally. Mostly good people, so don’t take this as a total knock against union workers. We made some on the fly brackets after the custom client brackets we built hit some stuff in line of travel which wasn’t supposed to be there. Amazing what you can do with bar stock, a bench vise, a step bit, and a hammer. We got to figure out how to make the Fluidmesh radios work with this cable. So that was fun. Acceltex Clear Antennas[https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/docsz/AD_4nXdqPGDqbzYOj_BnZvPoNZ24pLIbQTjjVyy5UJxuiRTnDCUTir0539w3oRQyXSX0lCRGA0KOTFo-UxI-JJ7qVTRwNpYN-6SgRaC-8Bm2_DXZzzoDoVbREZ1P6C0qfvSQUlaVa_ZfJjH4ZLOG0h4e-ZrWObSk?key=wTsSMFnwB6HQ3jRI_HAtmA] End of show question How would you apply RCoax at your site? How does Fluidity work vs traditional 802.11 communications? Might be a good topic for an upcoming episode. Links Referenced: Siemens Click to access SYH_RCoax_76.pdf [https://cache.industry.siemens.com/dl/files/869/109480869/att_932844/v1/SYH_RCoax_76.pdf] ProSoft Others If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/] If you would like to connect with Jeremy or learn more about his employer, Prism Systems Inc, then check the following: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] Prism Systems Inc – https://www.prismsystems.com/ [https://www.prismsystems.com/]
* CWISA Guide Giveaway details * There are two copies of the Certified Wireless IoT Solutions Administrator (CWISA) study/reference guides * Winners have been drawn at random * The winner from IT is: Hiten Thakkar from Santa Cruz, CA * The winner from OT is: Jace Allen from Kaysville, UT * (WEST Coast BIAS!!!) * Congratulations!! I have your email addresses and will be reaching out for shipping information! * Let’s dive into the environment first * Outside of the office spaces, what’s it like down in the dark and dirty spaces? * Heat? * Humidity? * Dust, dirt and grime. * To that end, is the dust more metallic and if so does that cause you problems? * Tools of the trade * What is your use of wireless technologies primarily for? * Standard Wi-Fi for user client connections? * Mobility deployments? * Machine to Machine communication? * Specific industrial wireless protocols? * Any special tools for remote support? * What wireless systems are deployed on site? * Example – Cisco or Aruba * Any specialty systems for sensors like LoRaWAN? * Wireless I/O? * Any special tools you use to help solve issues? * Spectrum analysis * Wi-Fi scanners * Etc. * What do you use for planning? * Now for the fun stuff * What are the main issues you have to deal with on siteWhat is the most challenging area at your site?Did you really have an antenna (maybe an AP) or two melt? * If so, story time, we want to know! [https://industrialwifishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/melty.jpg?w=768]Melted antenna (radio isn’t looking to great either) * What kinds of RFI/EMI do you run into? * Is an arc furnace in use? * What are some interesting technologies you have been looking into? * Scott got R3 test units, and we are going to look into their capabilities. * Interesting that they integrate well with Rockwell * Would like to get more familiar with EchoRing protocol * Where do they fit in with low bandwidth capabilities? * HaLow as backhaul * Jeremy submitted a talk for WLPC Phoenix! * IPCAM Power, Moxa POE Splitters * IPCAM is pretty beefy * Resolves issue we saw with Siemens D-Coded pinout not pulling power from Acceltex POE battery * Jeremy is planning an informal documentation round table! * NDA Friendly, please don’t get yourself in trouble even though we really want to know about the secret cool stuff. * Scott, what are you working on? * Started developing a 2 day, hands on industrial wireless class * Heath, what are you working on? * Migration to Juniper/Mist If you would like to know more about our guests, check them out on LinkedIn: Heath Weeks – https://www.linkedin.com/in/heath-weeks-3346a81a/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/heath-weeks-3346a81a/] Gerdau Special Steel – https://gsn.gerdau.com/ [https://gsn.gerdau.com/] If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/] If you would like to connect with Jeremy or learn more about his employer, Prism Systems Inc, then check the following: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] Prism Systems Inc – https://www.prismsystems.com/ [https://www.prismsystems.com/]
* CWISA Guide Giveaway details * There are two copies of the Certified Wireless IoT Solutions Administrator (CWISA) study/reference guides * Winners will be drawn randomly on episode 10 (episode title TBD) * ONE winner will be from IT * ONE winner will be from OT * Click the link below to enter the drawing! (One entry per person) * —> https://forms.gle/eE4rYtixhbppyMti8 [https://forms.gle/eE4rYtixhbppyMti8 ] ←- (Link now inactive) * WiFi6 and Mobile Robots: AS/RS, Conveyors, AGVs, AMRs, Automotive Skillet Lines, Electrified Monorails…. All have one thing in common: THEY ROAM…. A lot! * Challenges going to WiFi6 * The OT traffic is different than IT. * Instead of pushing big-huge files through the air, mobile robot applications need to move lots of small files – rapid fire, fast! * PLC-to-PLC communication. * The reliable, uninterrupted, consistent nature of the OT traffic is different with mobile bots. * The OT networks are different. * Think 20ms RPI, so the roam time has to be a fraction of that. * The generation level of the WiFi doesn’t necessarily matter. … except for 6E (that “E” is really nice). How will we handle the common need for “purpose built” antennas/ signal reciprocity. For example a linear stacker crane usually only needs directional/ bi-directional antennas. No external antennas means you waste energy. The power differential is also a concern. * The changes in generation levels focus on more volume of data thru the air. * The changes are not necessarily focused on reliability. * The fast-roaming standard hasn’t changed. * 95% of the chips end up in enterprise IT, and the current roaming standard satisfies that IT market. * Adding video, bandwidth, machine learning, etc. is important to enterprise IT, usually not to the bots. * The ProSoft radios do not support multiple SSIDs, on purpose. The idea is to have the SSID dedicated to the robot “fleet” network. Any additional WiFi required nearby will be handled by a completely different AP. * Automotive skillet lines and AS/RS roaming bots don’t need that. They need really, really reliable connections and ultra-fast roams. * Think Safety I/O * Think CIP Safety, ProfiSafe. * Think 20ms RPI and 40ms timeouts. [https://industrialwifishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/image.png?w=600] * ProSoft buys the RF modules like everyone else. * Ex: We buy Qualcomm, package it, and sell it with our software running on it. I don’t know exactly how we do it, but somehow we hijack the chip and take control of many of the low-level decisions. * WiFi4 (802.11n) gave us access to the chip’s low-level functions. * We could monitor data from the RF chip so our software makes the roaming decisions, not the chip. The chip’s roaming standard is too slow. * We run our own calculations. We had a lot of control, resulting in consistent roams under 10ms – often down to 2ms if the client and AP were both the ProSoft RLX2-IHNF-A. * We can roam on the same channel. * These are ProSoft’s killer features for mobile applications. * What is the most common installation case for ProSoft? Were you always geared towards single-band applications? The radios have always offered 2.4 and 5.0. We had another line of 900MHz frequency hoppers, but discontinued them in 2020. * Most common installations are AMRs in automotive, warehousing, oil/gas, cranes. * With WiFi6, the downside is we’ve been locked out by the chip makers, and don’t have access to those low-level functions. We can only do high-level computations. * So the WiFi6 chip handles the roam. Is this part of the standard? Does this lock you out from using the chipset and modified frames? There is a roaming standard, but from a ProSoft point of view, it’s too slow. That’s why we take control of the roaming decision. For whatever reason, we were not locked out of accessing the low-level functions required to take over the roaming decision. Now, with WiFi6, the manufacturers of the chipsets have locked that down. * Unfortunately, the 802.11r standard is way too slow. * Challenge: Can we figure a way to still get to that low-level data? ProSoft is working on it. * Fluid Mesh puts 2 radios in each bot, and this might be the only way to fast-roam with WiFi6. Literally 2-4 radios that link logically. Newer hardware has two internal radios. Similar function. Splitting fleets is also a use case here. * Radio A talks to AP1 * Radio B talks to AP2 * When radio A is moving out of range of AP1, it starts roaming to AP3… in the meantime Radio 2 is still linked with AP2, * Siemens says IPCF does not currently work with WiFi6 to accomplish fast roaming. They also lost the second radio model from the W788 so those deployments are getting forced into WiFi6 one way or the other. Give and take with RPI and timeouts, some of these applications will have to relax constraints to get it to function. I see that give and take a lot, especially before I start talking to them. Slowing down RPIs and timeouts to allow for the longer roams. * BENEFITS of WiFi6: * If you need more bandwidth, * If you have pushing gobs of data, * Machine vision. * video * If you have a huge number of bots (clients) tied to 1 AP. * As the bot count goes up – 700, 800, 1,000 bots all in one warehouse – WiFi6 manages the data and traffic more efficiently. * WiFi6E is nice, opening up that 6GHz spectrum, you go from 8-9 channels to almost 60 more channels (at 20MHz) * 2.4 is almost never used by ProSoft. It’s there. You can use it. But it’s too crowded with bluetooth, cordless things, microwave ovens, everyone’s cell phone which makes for an unreliable connection handling 20ms RPIs. Unreliable when you’ve got 500+ bots in a warehouse, and there are people there too with cell phones, and airpods, and apple watches. I learned the hard way that airpods really are a no-no when surveying 2.4 :). * We use 5.0, including the DFS channels. * More channels, more likely to get customer’s IT to STAY OFF a few of them. * Avoids all that saturated 2.4 traffic. * Siemens iPCF will not work on DFS channels. * WiFi4 is going away, one day. RIP * We need to get WiFi6 functioning in the OT space similar to how we currently have it with WiFi4, i.e. Ultra Fast Roaming <10ms in the RLX2-IHNF-A * For mobile applications, it has to support Safety I/O, CIP Safety, ProfiSafe, etc., etc. * For mobile applications, it has to support high client density (bot swarms), 6E is the answer, if we could only now just get it to fast roam. If you would like to know more about our guests, check them out on LinkedIn: Vic Paraenglo – https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorparangelo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorparangelo/] Prosoft Technology wireless products – https://www.prosoft-technology.com/Products/Industrial-Wireless [https://www.prosoft-technology.com/Products/Industrial-Wireless] If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/] If you would like to connect with Jeremy or learn more about his employer, Prism Systems Inc, then check the following: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] Prism Systems Inc – https://www.prismsystems.com/ [https://www.prismsystems.com/]
* CWISA Guide Giveaway details * There are two copies of the Certified Wireless IoT Solutions Administrator (CWISA) study/reference guides * Winners will be drawn randomly on episode 10 (episode title TBD) * ONE winner will be from IT * ONE winner will be from OT * Click the link below to enter the drawing! (One entry per person) * —> https://forms.gle/eE4rYtixhbppyMti8 [https://forms.gle/eE4rYtixhbppyMti8 ] ←- (link now inactive) * Let’s talk security – Owning your industrial airspace * Three things you need to consider * Situational awareness of your site * Understanding the current RF landscape * Securing your wireless assets * Situational awareness * Where is your site * Is it in an industrial park? * Is it in an urban area close to other buildings and businesses? * Is it out in the middle of “nowhere”? * What is around your site * Residential? * Commercial? * Industrial / manufacturing? * Who is around your site * Static residential * High volume transient population * Lions, tigers and bears, oh my! * What is your risk * Understand your RF landscape * What other structured wireless networks are operating on your site? * 802.11 * 802.15.4 * Proprietary wireless * Are there transient wireless networks * Mobile hotspots * Transportation and fleet management * Are there and sources of EMI / RFI * How bad * What frequencies * What is your risk? * Securing your wireless assets * 802.11 security * Obviously, do not use WEP or WPA (granted I do know that there are still legacy devices in production environments out there and that sometimes you have no choice. Be sure to document what you cannot mitigate!) * WPA2 still the most common, enable Protected Management Frames if you can/have the option * WPA3 the most preferable * Advanced and improved encryption * MFP is mandatory * 802.15.4 security * 128-bit AES encryption is built into the standard * After layer 2 in the OSI, these compliant devices often implement other security options from onboarding to CRCs, it depends on the vendor * Want to know more about Bluetooth security – check out episode 6 * Want to know more about WirelessHART or ISA100 security – check out episode 4 * Proprietary wireless security * Usually have encryption options * Unique onboarding processes for mesh devices * Contextless data transfer * Management access * Disable Over-the-air (OTA) management * Use HTTPS/SSH whenever possible * VLAN/segment out management IP addresses whenever possible * NEVER use default passwords and security settings * Key takeaways * Owning your industrial airspace is much more than simply encrypting wireless traffic * You need to look at your site as a whole to fully realize and understand your overall risk * You do not have the luxury of deciding whether or not you are a target [https://industrialwifishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/signal-generator.png?w=1024] This is what my 900MHz signal generator looks like in spectrum analysis. It’s definitely a unique signature from the Density view at the top to the Waterfall view in the middle. You can also see in the bottom panel how it just eats up airtime utilization. If you would like to know more about our guests, check them out on LinkedIn: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/]
* Wi-Co event * Event was held in Chapel Hill NC on June 12th * Lots of great presentations * 2 hour hands on industrial wireless lab * Participants got to physically wire up 24v power supplies and the corresponding industrial radios * Full configuration lab followed the physical wiring * Great people there from all over NC and even the Washington DC area! * https://wi-co.org/ [https://wi-co.org/] * Wi-Fi 6 comes to Industrial radios! * Will the expanded spectrum (6GHz) find a home in the industrial universe? * While spectrum use is up in the air, I know the enhanced stability of the ax protocol is sure to make a difference * Phoenix Contact skipped Wi-Fi5 all together * Phoenix Contact WLAN 1020 and 1120 series * Prosoft also skipped Wi-Fi5 * Just released the ELXM-SW6, a Wi-Fi6 wireless bridge * Looking to release full Wi-Fi6 AP by Q4 2024 * Adding 6 GHz early 2025 * Siemens is transitioning from Wi-Fi5 into Wi-Fi6 * Siemens SCALANCE WAM763-1 * Siemens SCALANCE WUM763-1 * Aunex AMC2X8-A-SL-WK8 * How will Wi-Fi6 affect radial coax? (“leaky coax”) Protocol level * Customers demanding WiFi6/newer features. Actually, pushing for WPA3 * Trends: * Industrial IoT trends/predictions * Increasing importance on * Condition monitoring & predictive maintenance * Sensor advances and innovations * Digital Twins * Fog Computing * “This technology relocates intelligence to the edge of the network, where the machinery exists. This enables real-time control as well as enhanced security and greater manageability. It’s easy to see how fog computing in IIoT should become standard practice throughout the industry.” * Largest manufacturer of industrial wireless devices worldwide (in descending order) * Emerson (over 10% themselves) * Honeywell International (Honeywell & Siemens combined are another 10%) * Siemens (Honeywell & Siemens combined are another 10%) * ABB * GE * Eaton * Cisco * Yokogawa * Rockwell Automation * Advantech * Arris * Top industrial verticals for wireless (in descending order) * Chemical * Oil & Gas * Pulp & Paper * Electric Power * Water & Wastewater * Metallurgy & Mining * Food & Beverage * Pharma & Biotech * Then everyone else * Worldwide, Chemical, oil & gas and the Pulp & Paper industries are the three largest consumers of Industrial Wireless Devices which are responsible for about 38 percent of Industrial Wireless Device consumption. * Largest markets for industrial wireless devices (in descending order) * North America (S., Mexico & Canada) * Europe (Germany, UK, France, Italy, Russia and Turkey) * Asia-Pacific (China, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam) * South America (Brazil, Argentina, Columbia) * Middle East and Africa (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa) Sources/Resources: * Precision Reports: 2024 Industrial Wireless Devices Market Trends Research Report to 2032 * https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/2024-industrial-wireless-devices-market-trends-shkye/?published=t [https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/2024-industrial-wireless-devices-market-trends-shkye/?published=t] * Advanced Tech: iiot trends * https://www.advancedtech.com/blog/iiot-trends/ [https://www.advancedtech.com/blog/iiot-trends/] * https://www.advancedtech.com/blog/fog-computing-industrial-iot/ [https://www.advancedtech.com/blog/fog-computing-industrial-iot/] * Siemens Links * SCALANCE WAM763-1 https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/us/Catalog/Product/6GK57631AL007DB0 [https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/us/Catalog/Product/6GK57631AL007DB0] * SCALANCE WUM763-1 https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/us/Catalog/Product/6GK57631AL003DB0 [https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/us/Catalog/Product/6GK57631AL003DB0] * Catalog info https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/industrial-communication/industrial-wireless-lan/scalance-wam760-access-point-scalance-wum760-client-module.html [https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/industrial-communication/industrial-wireless-lan/scalance-wam760-access-point-scalance-wum760-client-module.html] * Signal Recorder https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109470655/what-information-do-you-get-from-the-signal-recorder-of-the-scalance-w-components-?dti=0&lc=en-WW [https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109470655/what-information-do-you-get-from-the-signal-recorder-of-the-scalance-w-components-?dti=0&lc=en-WW] * Phoenix Contact Links * External Antenna model 1020 https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/wireless-module-fl-wlan-1020-2702992 [https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/wireless-module-fl-wlan-1020-2702992] * Internal Antenna model 1120 https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/wireless-module-fl-wlan-1120-1386091 [https://www.phoenixcontact.com/en-pc/products/wireless-module-fl-wlan-1120-1386091] If you would like to know more about our guests, check them out on LinkedIn: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/] If you would like to know more about our guests, check them out on LinkedIn: Jeremy Baker – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremyabaker/] If you would like to connect with me or learn more about my employer, Global Process Automation (GPA), then check the following: Scott McNeil – https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/americanmcneil/] GPA – https://www.global-business.net/ [https://www.global-business.net/]
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