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How do you get leaders to keep backing AI exploration when they’ve already invested, but the biggest upside still isn’t fully clear yet? In this episode, Joe Ghali, Ryan Cantwell, and Todd Blaquiere dig into a listener question about one of the hardest parts of AI adoption in product teams: justifying the paths, gains, and possibilities that do not show up as a flashy feature or an obvious ROI line right away. They talk through the real challenge product managers are facing now. Leaders have already said yes to AI. They have approved the tools, the licenses, and the experimentation. But now they are looking back and asking what that investment has delivered. The conversation unpacks how to make the case for time and space to explore AI potential while still tying the work to things leadership cares about, like cost, revenue, capacity, and smarter decisions. They also break down how to communicate early wins, how to show progress before the full upside is known, and why invisible AI value still matters when it helps the business move faster and work better. If you are trying to earn more room to explore AI, defend the investment already on the table, or tell a better story about what the work is producing, pull up a chair on the porch, listen for the signals leaders care about most, pick one meaningful gain your team can show today, and use it to make the next conversation stronger. TIME STAMPED NOTES: The Question That Started It All [00:00] Intro + newsletter plug – Safe “Pixar movie” analogy for how leaders interpret messaging. [00:38] Listener question – How do you prove AI is worth it when ROI isn’t obvious yet? [01:56] Core tension – AI value is real but invisible because it’s embedded in workflows, not shipped as features. Why AI Value Is Hard to Show [03:42] Two problems – Measuring AI value vs communicating it to leadership. [04:32] Communication gap – Leaders expect visible outputs, not invisible workflow improvements. [05:07] Executive lens – Everything ultimately gets reduced to revenue and cost. [06:05] Growing skepticism – More AI projects are being questioned or abandoned due to unclear value. [06:51] Cost risk – AI tools and subscriptions quietly add up without clear ROI. [08:27] “So what?” moment – Efficiency gains exist, but leadership wants business impact. Moving from Efficiency to Real Value [09:48] Maturity shift – From experimentation → operational measurement → financial impact. [10:57] Turning time into value – Efficiency becomes either more output or fewer resources needed. [11:50] Headcount example – AI can remove future hiring needs and create real cost savings. [12:26] Baselining – You need a starting point to prove anything has changed. [13:14] Start small – Focus on one meaningful problem instead of measuring everything. [13:59] Estimates are okay – Directional impact is enough to start building credibility. [14:12] Finance partnership – Helps validate and strengthen assumptions. The Real Problem: Invisible AI [14:44] Invisible AI – Leadership doesn’t see “engine improvements,” only visible outputs. [15:30] Expectation gap – Leaders expect obvious, reportable AI wins. [16:10] Bottom-line vs top-line AI – Cost savings vs new revenue opportunities. [17:08] Investor lens – Unit economics matter more than features or tools. [18:12] Scalability – AI becomes valuable when it improves cost structure or leverage. [19:44] What to lead with – Pick the metric that gets executive attention. How to Communicate AI Value So It Lands [21:23] Leading vs lagging indicators – Cycle time and rework must connect to financial outcomes. [25:56] Rework reduction – Builds trust and improves downstream execution. [27:32] Storytelling discipline – You have to repeatedly connect AI work to business value. [30:20] Internal optimization – Identify high-cost, low-value work and target it with AI. [31:16] Hiring impact – Efficiency gains translate into real hiring and capacity decisions. [32:50] Decision tools – Simple cost-benefit thinking helps prioritize AI investments. [34:38] Core rule – Always lead and end with financial impact, not tooling. [37:55] Final takeaway – PMs are translators between AI capability and business value. Help keep the Product Porch lights on by giving at https://www.patreon.com/TheProductPorch Join our email list and never miss an episode at theproductporch.com [https://www.theproductporch.com/email-signup]
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