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The Third View

Podcast by Manasi Kumbhat Janne Brok, Erik de Ruijter

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The Third View is a podcast about change at the system level: what is actually happening when an industry inverts, a political order collapses, or a business model becomes obsolete overnight. Not what we should feel about it. What the structure of it is, and what it makes possible.Every two weeks, Erik de Ruijter, Janne Brok and Manasi Kumbhat apply their framework of radical systems level change to one complex system: politics, business, or society. The framework comes from their book If Not This, Then What? (Bureau WO, 2025). The conversations go further. If you think in systems, this is your show.

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The Hidden Logic Behind Trump's Chaos

Most conversations about change give you two options: fix what's broken, or aim for something better. But what if the system itself needs to be inverted? That is what the third view is about. Each episode we take something complex, break it down into its foundational principles, that we call ‘essences’ and ask: what becomes possible once they are inverted? We published a Substack article [https://bureauwo.substack.com/p/the-hidden-logic-behind-trumps-chaos?r=61v7ie] arguing that Trump's chaos is not random. Most people are trying to understand him through one of two lenses: either, like other presidents,  he is incrementally fixing what's broken (and thats confusing because its obviously not working!), or he is charging toward some vision of MAGA destination. We think both of those lenses miss what's actually happening. What Trump is doing,  is a third thing: he is systematically inverting the load-bearing principles of the old reality. Not moving toward a new one necessarily, just dismantling the architecture of the existing one. Every action that looks erratic follows the same logic: take whatever the old reality depended on, and fundamentally change it. The article maps exactly which principles are being inverted and asks: what becomes possible in the space that opens up? That is what we are going to build on today.

31 Mar 2026 - 27 min
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