Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins

Alex Boylan: The Miles That Made Him

Alex Boylan has spent most of his life saying “yes” before he felt fully ready. From moving to Brazil alone at 15 years old… to winning The Amazing Race 2… to building a career producing travel television and creating The College Tour, Alex has consistently leaned into discomfort, curiosity, and opportunity. But this conversation goes way beyond television. Alex and Pat Sitkins discuss: * becoming comfortable being uncomfortable * taking the first rep before you feel ready * keeping your “backpack” light * perspective, travel, and gratitude * a look at Alex’s book The Miles That Make You: How to Make Life an Epic Journey * aging parents and becoming a father * why most people stop themselves too early * and how staying curious can completely change the trajectory of your life. One of the most thoughtful, grounded, personal, and hopeful episodes of Two Types of People so far. CHAPTERS * 00:00 — Welcome Alex Boylan * 02:15 — Comfortable vs Comfortable Being Uncomfortable * 05:40 — Why the First Rep Matters * 09:20 — Get Off Your Cell Phone and Look Up * 10:00 — Moving to Brazil at 15 Years Old * 12:00 — The Amazing Race Changed Everything * 15:15 — Why Some People Stay Stuck in One Era * 21:30 — Perspective, Aging Parents & Fatherhood * 24:00 — Keep Your Backpack Light * 28:00 — Rock Bottom, St. John & Starting Over * 31:00 — Building The College Tour QUOTABLE MOMENTS * “Those who are comfortable… and those who are comfortable being uncomfortable.” * “Get off your cell phone and look up.” * “You’re gonna suck at first.” * “Most of the rest of it is all in your own head.” * “Life’s amazing. This planet’s amazing.” * “Keep your backpack light.” About the Show Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins [https://www.instagram.com/patsitkins/] - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture. The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order [https://adaptivejax.com/two-types-of-people/] at all major retailers.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Austin Tovey: Wired for More

Austin Tovey isn’t asking for permission to live his life, and this episode has one overarching theme - taking ownership. Professional foilboarder, innovator, and waterman Austin Tovey joins Pat Sitkins to talk about the evolution of foiling, the freedom found in the ocean, and the mindset required to keep progressing when most people stop. From his early days with now fellow pro rider Noah Flegel, designing his own pro model board with Armstrong Foils to interactions with legends like Jerry Lopez and Mickey Munoz, Austin shares how discomfort, ownership, and obsession have shaped both his sport and his life. This episode dives into accountability, persistence, mental resilience, and the difference between people who embrace hard things… and people who spend their lives avoiding them. Streaming now on all platforms. Main Themes * Taking full ownership of your life * Embracing discomfort voluntarily * Constant progression vs stagnation * Nature as therapy and reset * Innovation in foiling and water sports * Learning from legends * Staying in the game long enough to break through Quotable Moments “There are no bad waves. Only poor equipment and a lousy attitude.” “Once it clicks and you get that bug… you’re locked in.” “You must persevere and keep pushing until you accomplish it.” “All my days are better now because of foil.” “Some people don’t want to look bad at something new.” Chapters 00:00 — The Pro Model Board & Building Something to Last 05:56 — Why Water Changes Everything 10:15 — Laird Hamilton, Noah Flegel, Jerry Lopez & Pushing the Sport Forward 17:57 — No Bad Waves, Just Bad Attitudes 23:10 — Full Ownership vs Blame 25:35 — Why Discomfort Matters 27:43 — Staying in the Game Long Enough to Break Through 31:38 — Austin’s Hype Song & Final Thoughts About the Show Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins [https://www.instagram.com/patsitkins/] - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture. The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order [https://adaptivejax.com/two-types-of-people/] at all major retailers.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Players vs Spectators: and Choosing the Hard Road

Angela Birch, owner of Focus Fitness doesn’t see the world the same way most people do. When asked the core question, her answer was simple: Players and spectators. Some people step into the arena. They take risks, make decisions without guarantees, and choose a path that often feels harder than it needs to be. Others build a life around stability, security, and predictability. Neither is wrong, but they lead to very different experiences. After 20 years in corporate leadership, she walked away from stability to pursue entrepreneurship, opening and rebuilding fitness facilities from the ground up. It hasn’t been easy. Sleepless nights, constant pressure, and the weight of decisions that don’t always make sense to anyone else. But as she explains, for some people, the “safe” path isn’t even visible. That mindset shows up in everything she does. From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Her definition of determination is straightforward: keep going. Even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard. In this conversation, we get into: * The difference between playing the game and watching it * Why some people feel pulled toward harder paths * The reality of entrepreneurship and rebuilding from scratch * How consistency beats complexity in both fitness and business * The role of honesty, mentorship, and pushing others to be better This one isn’t about a blueprint. It’s about recognizing which role you’re playing… and deciding if that’s actually what you want. About the Show Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins [https://www.instagram.com/patsitkins/] - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture. The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order [https://adaptivejax.com/two-types-of-people/] at all major retailers.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From "Bubble Yum Hustler" to Elite CEO

In this Two Types of People episode Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support. This isn’t a conversation about surface-level growth or leadership tactics. It’s about what the role actually demands once you’re in the seat. Tim talks about the weight that comes with leading a company where hundreds of families are counting on your decisions. Not the highlight reel version of being a CEO… the part that doesn’t get posted. The responsibility, the isolation at times, and the reality that no one else fully feels that pressure the way you do. When asked the core question of the show, his answer came from that lived experience: Those who know they can’t do it alone… and those who make sure nobody else has to. It’s a perspective shaped by mentorship, by people who stepped in at critical moments, and by the responsibility to do the same for others. From there, the conversation shifts to something even more foundational - Agency. Tim’s definition of determination is simple: take ownership. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody is thinking about your situation the way you are. The people who move forward are the ones who decide to own it and stay in the game long enough for things to break their way. He also reinforces something that shows up across high performers but rarely gets said this clearly: Outlasting is a strategy. Not flashy. Not easy to sell. But real. The people who win aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones who don’t leave. You’ll also hear: * Why mentorship changed the trajectory of his career and how to actually be a good mentee * The reality behind Gibson’s growth and expansion into new markets * The emotional cost of leadership and how to manage it over time * Why communication and human connection are becoming more valuable, not less This one is grounded. No noise. Just how it actually works once you are at the helm. Key Topics * Business expansion strategies * Leadership challenges and loneliness * Mentorship and community support * Persistence and long-term success Takeaways * Lonely moments are part of leadership but can be mitigated through peer groups. * Success is a long-term journey, often taking decades to realize. * Mentorship is crucial; helping others can be a powerful way to give back. * Persistence and outlasting competitors are key to entrepreneurial success. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Tim Leman and Gibson's Growth 06:54 The Challenges of Being a CEO 14:56 Two Types of People: Mentorship and Support 21:34 Defining Determination and Personal Agency 23:34 Musical Inspirations and Closing Thoughts About the Show Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins [https://www.instagram.com/patsitkins/] - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture. The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order [https://adaptivejax.com/two-types-of-people/] at all major retailers.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Power of Value and Determination in Sales Leadership

Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution. At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People: Those who understand value… and those who don’t. This featurette ties directly into the Larry G. Linne episode and brings it into the real world. We get into value as something that’s constantly moving. How you create it, how you communicate it, and why most people never fully understand it. From ESOP structure to culture plays like their own in-house Agency Pro Shop, to what’s changing in the industry with AI, this is a look at what’s actually working right now. Topics Covered * Employee ownership and ESOPs in insurance * Building culture that actually sticks - wait till you see the M. Pro Shop * What “value” really means in sales * Why value is constantly in motion * AI and where the industry is heading * The widening gap between performers and everyone else * Failure vs stagnation… and why movement matters * Determination as inevitability, not motivation Key Lines “Value is constantly in motion.” “Failure is better than stagnation.” *Production note: this was a virtual recording that ran into issues. We worked our magic best we could on this episode, so apologies for some audio issues. However, this conversation was too good not to publish. Sales Professionals, Sales Leaders, and Business Owners will get a ton of VALUE from this episode.  About the Show Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins [https://www.instagram.com/patsitkins/] - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture. The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order [https://adaptivejax.com/two-types-of-people/] at all major retailers.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.