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Zero Click Marketing

Podcast by Amanda Natividad

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Zero Click Marketing is a marketing strategy podcast about content marketing, audience research, and how brands grow when clicks matter less. Hosted by Amanda Natividad, Chief Evangelist at SparkToro, the show explores how marketers reach audiences, build influence, and earn attention in a zero-click internet. New to the show? Start with Episode 2: What Zero Click Marketing Actually Is.

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16 episodes

episode A Form Fill Is Not Demand Generation artwork

A Form Fill Is Not Demand Generation

Here's my new rule for demand generation: Ungate the argument. Gate the utility. Ungate the point of view — and ungate the template, tool, deeper cuts, or genuinely useful live experience. Buyers now have more ways to get answers without entering your funnel: AI search, Reddit, YouTube, private communities, and competitors’ ungated posts. And if your best educational content is locked behind a form, it's not shaping your public record. The better question isn’t “should we gate this?” It’s: what should be freely available so buyers can understand, trust, remember, cite, and share your ideas — and what is valuable enough that someone would reasonably trade their information for it? Because in a zero-click world, changing someone’s mind without relying on clicks and form fills is the whole game. Timestamps: 00:00 — The old B2B bargain: email address for the thing 02:04 — Buyers have more ways to get answers without you 03:03 — AI search makes the gated content problem more obvious 04:00 — Why the public record matters in a zero-click world 05:00 — Ungate the argument, gate the utility 06:00 — Buyers want to engage on their own terms 07:07 — A form fill is not the same thing as demand 07:26 — Three questions to ask before gating content 08:05 — Good gates vs. lazy gates Sources & Tools: What is Gated Content? And How to Make It Discoverable to AI Bots [https://www.conductor.com/academy/gated-content-ai-discoverability/] by Conductor Gated Content and AI Search: Why It’s Invisible [https://ziptie.dev/blog/gated-content-and-ai-search/] by Ziptie Gartner Sales Survey Finds 67% of B2B Buyers Prefer a Rep-Free Experience [https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2026-03-09-gartner-sales-survey-finds-67-percent-of-b2b-buyers-prefer-a-rep-free-experience] 10 Minute Email - 10minuteemail.com [http://10minuteemail.com] SparkToro - sparktoro.com [http://sparktoro.com] Alertmouse - alertmouse.com [http://alertmouse.com] Pre-order the book: Zero Click Marketing [http://zeroclickmarketing.co/book] (zeroclickmarketing.co/book) Learn more: zeroclickmarketing.co [https://zeroclickmarketing.co/] Connect with Amanda Natividad (@amandanat): LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/] | Substack [https://amandanat.substack.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/amandanat] | Threads [https://www.threads.com/@amandanat] This episode was produced in partnership with Share Your Genius www.shareyourgenius.com [http://www.shareyourgenius.com]

19 May 2026 - 9 min
episode GEO Is What Happens When Search Becomes Zero-Click artwork

GEO Is What Happens When Search Becomes Zero-Click

AI search is changing SEO, but not because SEO is dead. It’s changing because search is becoming more zero-click. In this episode, I explain GEO — Generative Engine Optimization — and why it’s less about chasing AI hacks and more about making your content easier to retrieve, understand, cite, trust, and remember. I break down four practical mechanics of GEO: retrievability, extractability, credibility, and public evidence — and show why good AI visibility still starts with good marketing. Timestamps 00:00 Why AI search is changing SEO 01:35 What GEO actually means 03:10 Why GEO is a zero-click marketing problem 04:30 The four mechanics of GEO, beginning with retrievability 08:30 Extractability: can your content be understood and reused? 11:00 Credibility: why generic SEO content falls short 13:30 Public evidence: why your brand’s off-site record matters 18:45 Why GEO is not magic — it’s good marketing Resources: * Ahrefs study: AI Overviews Reduce Clicks by 58% [https://ahrefs.com/blog/ai-overviews-reduce-clicks-update/] * Pre-order the Zero Click Marketing book [https://zeroclickmarketing.co/book] (yes, there’s a chapter on AI marketing!) Learn more: zeroclickmarketing.co [https://zeroclickmarketing.co/] Connect with Amanda Natividad (@amandanat): LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/] | Substack [https://amandanat.substack.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/amandanat] | Threads [https://www.threads.com/@amandanat] This episode was produced in partnership with Share Your Genius www.shareyourgenius.com [http://www.shareyourgenius.com]

12 May 2026 - 20 min
episode Why Marketers Make Content for Dashboards (Not Their Audience) artwork

Why Marketers Make Content for Dashboards (Not Their Audience)

Marketers say they want good strategy. Then they optimize for whatever’s easiest to measure. This episode is about why easy-to-see metrics like traffic, likes, attributed pipeline, and rankings can create false confidence. Instead, better measurement can look like this: off-platform sharing, stronger sales conversations, customer education, adoption of your language, and content that does more than one job. In a zero-click world, the easiest metric to report is not always the one that matters most. Timestamps 00:00 Why marketers optimize for what’s easiest to measure 01:36 How SEO gets too much credit for capturing demand 04:23 The Fitbit B2B example and content as a service 06:09 Better ways to judge content quality 07:54 Why the best content does more than one job 11:12 What better measurement looks like in a zero-click world You can do audience research with all kinds of tools and networks like Google Trends, Exploding Topics, Reddit, and of course, my employer, SparkToro. You can create an always-free account and get 5 reports per month on sparktoro.com [http://sparktoro.com]. Learn more: zeroclickmarketing.co [https://zeroclickmarketing.co/] Connect with Amanda Natividad (@amandanat): LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/] | Substack [https://amandanat.substack.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/amandanat] | Threads [https://www.threads.com/@amandanat] This episode was produced in partnership with Share Your Genius www.shareyourgenius.com [http://www.shareyourgenius.com]

5 May 2026 - 13 min
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The End of the “Ultimate Guide” Strategy

For years, marketers were told to create the ultimate guide: one page that covers everything on a topic. That advice worked when the goal was to rank, earn the click, and keep people on your site. But that era is coming to an end. In this episode, I walk through new research on Google and ChatGPT that points in the same direction: broad, catch-all content is getting weaker, while focused, hard-to-replace value is getting stronger. I break down what winning websites actually have in common, why relevance now beats comprehensiveness, and how to rethink your content strategy for a zero-click world. Research cited in this episode: * 5 Data-Backed Features of Websites Winning Google in 2026 [https://signal.zyppy.com/p/winning-google] by Cyrus Shepard * The Fan-Out Effect: What Happens Between a Query and a Citation [https://www.airops.com/report/the-fan-out-effect-what-happens-between-a-query-and-a-citation?submissionGuid=6c5ff9c4-e6ba-4f2d-9aa1-0a50a2693ca8] by Kevin Indig and AirOps Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:21 The rise of the “ultimate guide” playbook 00:53 Why broad, catch-all content is getting weaker 01:00 What Google’s winners have in common 02:19 The difference between reading and doing 02:36 Why destination sites win 02:57 Brand vs. discoverability 03:52 What ChatGPT actually rewards 04:30 Why answering one question beats answering five 04:56 The new standard: defensibility + focus 05:55 How to rethink your content strategy 06:36 Why brand matters more than ever 07:00 Final takeaways Learn more: zeroclickmarketing.co [https://zeroclickmarketing.co/] Connect with Amanda Natividad (@amandanat): LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/] | Substack [https://amandanat.substack.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/amandanat] | Threads [https://www.threads.com/@amandanat] This episode was produced in partnership with Share Your Genius www.shareyourgenius.com [http://www.shareyourgenius.com]

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