Fintech Takes

Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. I’m your host, Alex Johnson, joined by Martin Kleinbard; advisor at Granular, ex-CFPB, and author of the absolute banger of a research report How Cash Flow Data Can Diffuse the Credit Score Time Bomb (which we just published on Fintech Takes!). Martin and I have been having nerdy off-the-record chats about credit risk and underwriting systems for years. But with his new research report, we had to hit record. First, we dig into the true origin story of FICO; not just the 1989 launch, but the regulatory vacuum left by 1970s civil rights legislation. And how that vacuum gave rise to the idea of a generalizable, “objective” score. A score that quickly became a proxy for trust. A tool turned institution. We unpack how: * Laws meant to reduce discrimination led to over-standardization * Securitization needs quietly reshaped how lenders priced risk * A single point estimate became the underwriting gospel, even in the face of wildly diverging real-world ability to repay (!) Then, we turn our attention to now. Today, AI’s juicing scores faster than lenders can keep up, but they’re downgrading inflated FICOs when they can. This leaves consumers feeling betrayed, and the industry on the edge of a trust collapse. So, when trust in the score dies (and your customers feel misled), is there a plan for what comes next? Tune in to find out. This episode is brought to you by: Newline™ by Fifth Third is an innovative, API-first platform that enables fintechs to launch embedded payment, card and deposit solutions directly with Fifth Third Bank. Visit Newline53.com [https://bit.ly/42084XY] to see how Newline can elevate your business. Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ [https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/] And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos]. Follow Martin Kleinbard: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-kleinbard-6122aa1a/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-kleinbard-6122aa1a/]   Follow Alex Johnson:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson] X: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson [https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson]

Welcome back to Fintech Takes. I’m Alex Johnson, and today we’re lucky enough to dig into stablecoins (again!) with James Wester, co-head of payments research at Javelin Strategy & Research, who previously led strategic communications for blockchain, crypto, and digital currencies PayPal and served as a market research analyst at IDC.  Last time [https://fintechtakes.com/podcast/2025-03-26/fintech-takes-will-stablecoins-disrupt-retailor-just-disappear/] on the pod, we tackled domestic payment use cases (ACH, interchange, and why crypto UX still can’t touch the Starbucks app). This time, we zoom out. First, we unpack whether stablecoins are net good or net bad for community banks. The real threat isn’t deposit flight; it’s being boxed out of innovation. For years, regulators told community banks to steer clear of crypto. Now Stripe’s leaning into stablecoins, startups are building directly on-chain, and regulators are finally creating a bank-like charter for issuers. So who’s actually being served by this “innovation”? Then: what makes stablecoins different? One word: programmability. This is money you can code. Treasurers and developers love it. And if issuers get access to Fed master accounts or card networks? It could reshape BaaS (and who gets to build on it). Finally, we tackle the hard stuff: regulation, insurance, and that annoying habit of moving the goalposts. What happens if a stablecoin fails? How do you design for risk (and communicate that risk honestly to consumers)? Why does this space keep getting held to a higher bar than banks with fractional reserves? James puts it plainly: stablecoins aren’t the next hot, sexy fintech product. They’re utilities; more like electricity or cell service. Nobody gets excited about who powers their outlets or offers marginally better 5G. You just want it to work. And that’s where stablecoins are headed: quiet, foundational, infrastructure-grade. The real innovation won’t be stablecoins; it’ll be the stack built on top of it. This episode is brought to you by: Newline™ by Fifth Third is an innovative, API-first platform that enables fintechs to launch embedded payment, card and deposit solutions directly with Fifth Third Bank. Visit Newline53.com [https://bit.ly/42084XY] to see how Newline can elevate your business. Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ [https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/] And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos]. Follow James: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/khaslett/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameswester/ X: https://twitter.com/khasletthttps://x.com/jameswester   Follow Alex:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson] X: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson [https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson]

Welcome back to Not Fintech Investment Advice, where Simon Taylor and I talk about fintech companies that we're definitely not giving investment advice on!  We kick things off with Nekuda. Human-not-present is the new card-not-present. Nekuda’s building SDKs (software development kits) for agentic checkout, so your AI assistant can securely store and inject payment credentials at just the right moment. This is Visa’s “agent on file” era. We’ve spent a decade trying to keep bots out of commerce. Now we’re figuring out how to let the right ones in (without blowing up the fraud model). What happens to trust, attribution, and liability when no human’s at the checkout? Next is Vontive. Call them embedded mortgage lending for investment properties (basically, BNPL for real estate investors).They raised $135M in 2022, just added fresh equity from Citi, and secured a $150M revolving securitization shelf. They connect proptech platforms, banks, and marketplaces with private credit, so those platforms can embed short-term bridge loans or long-term rental mortgages directly into their UX. They don’t hold the loans, but they do centralize underwriting across a very regionally variable asset class. And that can get risky fast. Then, there’s Atticus, a stablecoin neobank in extreme stealth mode [https://www.theblock.co/post/356431/stablecoin-startup-atticus-nears-2-billion-valuation-following-raise-led-by-defense-tech-firm-ceo-report] (with Palmer Luckey reportedly leading a new round [https://www.axios.com/pro/all-deals/2025/05/30/andurils-palmer-luckey-invest-atticus-2b-valuation]at a $2B valuation). So naturally, we speculated: is Atticus a stablecoin bank with Fed access? A defense-industrial banking layer with regulatory immunity? If the GENIUS Act passes, this could be the first stablecoin issuer with full access to traditional rails. Finally, there’s Affiniti. Embedded, vertical-specific SMB credit cards. Affiniti partners with trade associations (pharmacists, HVAC techs, auto dealers) to co-brand its SMB credit cards and distribute to pre-qualified member bases. They hit $5.5M ARR in year one and are on pace for $1B in transaction volume this year. Their edge is twofold: tailored underwriting based on industry norms, and an AI-powered CFO agent that flags anomalies, forecasts bills, and suggests vendor strategies. It’s Ramp-as-a-service for the parts of the market that Ramp and Brex won’t touch. The scaling question then becomes: choose depth (more products) or breadth (more industries)? We’ll be watching. Plus, a manifestation: can someone please build a model that uses cashflow data to detect early signs of gambling addiction [https://fintechtakes.com/podcast/2025-05-28/fintech-takes-gambling-finance-and-the-fallout/]? It’s doable, valuable, and might just save lives. This episode is brought to you by: Newline™ by Fifth Third is an innovative, API-first platform that enables fintechs to launch embedded payment, card and deposit solutions directly with Fifth Third Bank. Visit Newline53.com [https://bit.ly/42084XY] to see how Newline can elevate your business. Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ [https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/] And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos]. Follow Simon: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sytaylor/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/sytaylor/] Substack: https://sytaylor.substack.com [https://sytaylor.substack.com]   Follow Alex:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson] Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson [https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson] Companies featured: https://nekuda.ai/ [https://nekuda.ai/] https://www.vontive.com/ [https://www.vontive.com/] Atticus [https://www.theblock.co/post/356431/stablecoin-startup-atticus-nears-2-billion-valuation-following-raise-led-by-defense-tech-firm-ceo-report] (extreme stealth mode is right) https://affiniti.finance/ [https://affiniti.finance/]

In this week’s episode of Fintech Recap, Jason Mikula and I break down a surprisingly busy run of headlines. The IPO window is open after all: eToro priced above its range, Circle (the issuer of the USDC stablecoin) is eyeing a debut, and we can’t not dig into Chime’s S-1. First up: the S-1 heard round the world. Chime has finally filed to go public, and it’s … complicated. Is it a payments company? A bank in denial? We unpack the Rorschach test (Alex’s gloss) that is Chime’s business model. Plus, a look into Chime’s $1.5B in marketing spend and the real question that’s not really a question but a comment: Chime still hasn't cracked credit in a compelling way? Next, it’s the open banking implosion no one saw coming. The CFPB’s open banking rule (Section 1033) could be overturned (yes, everything the CFPB has done since 2022 could be wiped off the map, including 1033). Jason and I walk through how the legal and regulatory whiplash could kill the broader API economy, spark a screen scraping renaissance, and more. Then, stablecoin legislation enters the chat. The GENIUS Act (yes, that’s the real name) is gaining steam in Congress, but the fine print matters. We dig into what the bill actually allows (yield or no yield?), what banks are really scared of, and why the next few years could make or break trust in digitally-issued (nonbank) monies. Plus, we can’t let go of the recent NYC crypto kidnapping straight out of Law & Order. When you’re self-custodying and everyone knows what your “bank” holds, well … maybe the next era of crypto will finally learn what old money always knew: real wealth whispers. This episode is brought to you by: Newline™ by Fifth Third is an innovative, API-first platform that enables fintechs to launch embedded payment, card and deposit solutions directly with Fifth Third Bank. Visit Newline53.com [https://bit.ly/42084XY] to see how Newline can elevate your business. Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ [https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/]  And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos]. Follow Jason: Newsletter: https://fintechbusinessweekly.substack.com/ [https://fintechbusinessweekly.substack.com/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonmikula/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonmikula/]   Follow Alex:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson] Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson [https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson]

Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. I’m your host, Alex Johnson, and today we’re digging into one of the most urgent (and underdiscussed) financial issues in America: gambling. My guest is Alex DeMarco, founder and CEO of MoneyStack, who’s helping reframe gambling addiction not just as a behavioral health issue, but as a financial systems crisis. Since 2018, when the Supreme Court cracked open the door to state-by-state legalization of mobile sports betting, we’ve seen a gold rush in gambling. Operators are now pulling in more than $70B annually (ads are everywhere, the apps are engineered for nonstop engagement, and the harm is rising fast). In NJ, one of the first states to legalize, 6% of adults are already experiencing moderate to severe gambling-related issues (double the national average). We connect the dots between gambling and familiar fintech business models: the same behavioral nudges, same VIP economics, the same revenue dependence on a vulnerable sliver of power users. If overdraft fees and gamified trading feel predatory, this is that (but on steroids). We unpack: * Why sports betting apps now hold three times more per wager than old-school sportsbooks * How engagement tactics mimic (and often outstrip) the most addictive elements of gamified finance * Why we’re watching investing and gambling blur into one screen (and one behavior) * What proactive financial intervention might look like, and why most help comes too late * How banks and fintechs can step up (detecting risk early, training advisors, and supporting families in recovery) We close with this big question: when gambling is mobile, funded from a checking account, and styled like Robinhood … can the financial industry really say it’s not their problem? This episode is brought to you by: Newline™ by Fifth Third is an innovative, API-first platform that enables fintechs to launch embedded payment, card and deposit solutions directly with Fifth Third Bank. Visit Newline53.com [https://bit.ly/42084XY] to see how Newline can elevate your business. The world needs MoR. With Paddle [https://www.paddle.com/?utm_medium=website&utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=partnership_fy2025_q1_core_mor_fintech_takes&utm_content=podcast] as your Merchant of Record (MoR), the global growth is yours. The risk, compliance and accountability are ours. Simple. Paddle offers all the benefits of an enterprise-grade billing system but with MoR flexibility, MoR control, and MoR focus on your core product. Visit paddle.com [https://www.paddle.com/?utm_medium=website&utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=partnership_fy2025_q1_core_mor_fintech_takes&utm_content=podcast] to learn more. Sign up for Alex’s Fintech Takes newsletter for the latest insightful analysis on fintech trends, along with a heaping pile of pop culture references and copious footnotes. Every Monday and Thursday: https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/ [https://workweek.com/brand/fintech-takes/] And for more exclusive insider content, don’t forget to check out my YouTube page [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos]. Follow Alex (DeMarco): LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexdemarco/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexdemarco/] MoneyStack: https://twitter.com/khasletthttps://www.linkedin.com/company/moneystack/   Follow Alex (Johnson):  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgfH47QEwbQmkQlz1V9rQA/videos] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhjohnson] X: https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson [https://www.twitter.com/AlexH_Johnson]