Blake Boteler — The Bounty, the Arrests, and the Funeral That Never Happened | Part 2

Rick Harcrow — Inside Attica: The Stats, the Families, and the Hidden Cost | Part 2

Rick Harcrow spent 37 years as a correctional officer at Attica Correctional Facility — home of the deadliest prison riot in American history. In Part 2, the conversation goes deeper: from the daily realities of working inside one of America's most dangerous institutions to the political decisions that shaped how officers and their families were treated for decades. Rick opens the episode with a story that sets the tone for everything that follows. Three days into a law library assignment, an inmate told him he planned to murder him when he got the chance. Rick turned around and said: "Nah, that's not gonna happen." That response — measured, unflinching, rooted in experience — defines how he approaches every subject in this conversation. The numbers are hard to hear. Around 300 inmate-on-inmate assaults per year at Attica — nearly one per day — were quietly suppressed by a department more concerned with appearances than accountability. The families of officers killed in the 1971 Attica riot were pressured into signing away their right to sue in exchange for six months of workman's comp. Two decades later, those same inmates received a $12 million settlement while widows were waiting for roof repairs. Rick helped organize the Attica Forgotten Victims group as a union leader and credits Governor George Pataki with ultimately doing right by those families. The conversation covers ground that rarely gets an honest treatment: the debate over reopening Alcatraz and what 40,000 released New York inmates actually means for crime, the Jeffrey Epstein suicide watch and the systemic failures that made a 14-minute window possible, the CO strike that put 10,000 officers on the picket line, and what unprocessed stress quietly does to the men and women who spend careers inside those walls. Rick closes with a warning a psychologist gave him as a rookie — one he credits with saving his life. This is Part 2 of a two-part conversation with Rick Harcrow. Part 1 covers his early years at Attica and the assault that nearly cost him everything in the law library. Both parts are available now.

Rick Harcrow - Inside the Attica Prison Riot: What Really Happened | Part 1

Rick Harcrow spent 37 years as a correctional officer in the New York State prison system — 30 of them at Attica Correctional Facility. He wasn't there on September 9, 1971, when the riot began. But he worked with the men who were. He heard their stories, sat with their families, and spent three decades living in the shadow of the deadliest prison riot in American history. This is what he knows. The Attica Prison Riot lasted four days. When it ended, 43 people were dead — seven of them correctional officers. What's less understood is that 39 of those 43 died not during the riot itself, but during the state's retaking of the facility four days later. Approximately 1,500 rounds were fired into a 100-by-100-yard yard packed with hundreds of people, hostages included. A judge later ruled it excessive force. Rick walks through the conditions that made it inevitable: 2,200 inmates crammed into a prison built for 1,200, one roll of toilet paper a month, and a bureaucracy that refused to hear its own officers. He covers the warning signs — multiple supervisors went to the superintendent weeks before the riot and told him it was coming. He refused to act. On the morning of September 9th, a group of veteran officers called in sick. Everyone knew. The riot started because of a worn-down gate key that opened the wrong lock. When that lock popped, an officer said, "Oh damn, we're in trouble." He was right. Rick also describes what it means to work inside a facility where nearly half the population is serving time for murder or manslaughter — and how that shapes the daily reality of corrections work in ways most people never consider. He talks about CO William Quinn, used as a battering ram by rioting inmates and left to die. About Sergeant Edward Cunningham, who spoke directly to a film crew in the middle yard — warning the governor that people were going to be killed — and was killed days later. About what the four-day standoff looked like from the perspective of the men who worked those walls afterward. In Part 2, Rick Harcrow takes us further: the inmate who looked him in the eye and said he'd be dead before the day was out, the violence the department tried to bury, and what 10,000 corrections officers finally did to force the state to listen. New episodes drop every Tuesday and Thursday. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

Tom Lange — The OJ Simpson Case: What the Jury Never Heard | Part 2

Tom Lange was the lead homicide detective for the Los Angeles Police Department assigned to the OJ Simpson murder case — one of the most watched criminal trials in American history. In this second part of a two-part conversation, Lange picks up where Part 1 left off, going deeper into the evidence, the decision-making, and the failures that defined the case. The interview opens with OJ's first interview after returning from Chicago. Within 30 seconds, Lange had his read: he was dealing with a sociopath. OJ never asked about his children. He never asked what happened to his wife. Not on the phone from Chicago, and not in the formal interview. Lange also walks through what he found at OJ's Chicago hotel room — thick drinking glasses he personally tested, proving OJ had deliberately staged a cut on his finger before loudly announcing it at the hotel front desk. There were 25 pieces of evidence like this that never made it to trial. The sharpest revelations involve the prosecution. Lange learned — 27 years after the verdict — that limo driver Alan Park had told Marcia Clark he saw OJ standing by the trash cans the night of the murders. Clark never shared that with Lange, her own lead investigator. "She lied to me," he says. "I had more problems with Marcia on direct than I did with Johnny on cross." The episode also covers the Bronco chase from inside the command center: the brass demanding a perp walk, OJ vanishing from Kardashian's house, and Lange on the phone with a man holding a gun to his own head while SWAT was already staged at Rockingham — with orders to shoot if OJ stepped out armed. Lange closes with the clearest account yet of why this case — the most evidence-rich murder case of the century — was lost. The wrong courthouse. Cameras in the courtroom. A prosecution that believed DNA alone would win it. And a jury that was played to instead of persuaded. The trial wasn't about two people who were murdered. "This is all about showtime," Lange says. "It wasn't about two young people who got slaughtered."

Tom Lange — Lead OJ Simpson Detective on the Evidence the Jury Never Heard | Part 1

Tom Lange was the lead homicide detective for the LAPD on the night of June 12, 1994. When a call came in about a double homicide on the west side of Los Angeles, Lange and his partner Phil Vannatter were the detectives the department trusted with its highest-profile cases. What they were about to work would become the most watched criminal trial in American history. In this first of two parts, Lange walks through the night hour by hour: arriving at Bundy Drive at 4AM, assessing the crime scene, and then making an unusual decision — ordered by brass — to leave Bundy before the scene was fully processed and drive to OJ Simpson's Rockingham estate. At that point, Simpson was not a suspect. He was the estranged husband with two sleeping children. What Lange found when he got there changed that calculus entirely. The moments Lange describes are precise and unhurried: Fuhrman scaling the estate wall, the unanswered front door, the conversation with Arnelle Simpson, Kato Kaelin's three thumps in the night, and the walk down a dark corridor behind the bungalows that ended with a right-hand leather glove in the middle of the path. A match to the one already bagged at Bundy Drive. Then comes the detail that still sits uncomfortably even three decades later: a witness at LAX watched OJ Simpson dump items from a small duffel bag — the same one Kato tried to carry and OJ refused to let him touch — into an airport trash container at 11PM. The witness didn't come forward until nine months into the trial. The trash was long gone. The bloody clothes, the shoes, the murder weapon — none of it was ever found. Three pages of investigative evidence that never reached a jury. Part 2 picks up with the OJ interview, the moment Lange realized he was talking to a sociopath, the Bronco chase, and why a case this strong was never going to be won.

Sheriff Mike Neal — The Walmart Shooting and What He Brought Home | Part 2

Sheriff Michael Neal was a wildlife officer with no business being at a West Memphis crime scene the afternoon of May 20th, 2010. He was over an hour away when two police officers were shot and killed during a traffic stop. He drove there anyway. Part 2 of this conversation is the story of what happened when he got there — and what he carried home from it. The episode opens with Neal describing his wife seeing his bullet-riddled truck at the National Law Enforcement Museum for the first time, and the conversation about why he chose to get married on the anniversary of the shooting. From there it moves into the drive itself: running his Game and Fish truck at 140 miles an hour, stopping for gas at the Horizon Shell Station at Mile Marker 275 — not knowing it was the same exit as the crime scene — and looking down on the bodies of Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans from an overpass before pulling back onto the road. What followed was a two-hour manhunt that failed because of a bad vehicle description. The killers were hiding in the Walmart parking lot in a battered white Plymouth Voyager while every officer in the area searched for a church van with "House of God and Prayer" written on the side. Neal explains the communication breakdown in plain terms: that's what gets cops killed. He was on the other end of the parking lot when the shooting resumed. He describes the moment gunfire started, the decision to ram the van at 55 miles per hour rather than risk a mobile firefight, shooting through his own windshield while taking 12 rounds of AK fire, and the first thought he had walking up on scene after it was over: that he was going to jail. The episode closes with why he stayed in law enforcement — a friend told him cops want to hear from cops, not has-beens — and what he wants people to feel when they see the names of Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans on the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial.