It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Can you hide in plain sight? From trans beauty pageants in the Philippines, to the catwalks of New York City fashion week, to the Ted Talk mainstage – Filipina-American model Geena Rocero has lived an astounding life. This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK, the author of Horse Barbie: A Memoir [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884] shares what it costs to suppress your true self in order to find safety and success, and why joy is powerful medicine.  Geena Rocero is a trans advocate, speaker, and author of the new book, Horse Barbie [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884].   In this episode we cover:  * Why do we have to talk about gender all the time anyway? * How can parents support trans children?  * The history of trans beauty pageants in the Philippines * Why joy - and a sense of humor - are real survival tools   We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.   Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here [http://refugeingrief.com/wyg]. Related Episodes: Coming Home to Yourself with Alex Elle [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/coming-home-to-yourself-with-alex-109226099/] If I Survived, You Can Too! Author Emi Nietfeld on the Hollowness of the Transformation Narrative [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/if-i-survived-you-can-too-105527210/] Over and Over Again: Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the Power of Storytelling [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/over-and-over-again-illustrator-aubrey-102744533/] About our guest: Geena Rocero is a Filipina-American model, public speaker, author, and trans rights advocate. Ms. Rocero made history as the first trans woman ambassador for Miss Universe Nepal, and the first trans Asian Playboy Playmate of the Year. Her TED Talk, “Why I Must Come Out [https://www.ted.com/talks/geena_rocero_why_i_must_come_out?language=en],” has been viewed over 3.7 million times. She’s an advisory board member of SeeHer [https://www.seeher.com/], a global coalition working to increase representation and accurate portrayal of all women and girls in marketing, media, and entertainment.  She’s spoken at the White House and United Nations, and has been featured on CNN, MSNBC, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, Vanity Fair, and Variety. Her book Horse Barbie: A Memoir [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884] was named one of the Best Memoirs of 2023 by Elle Magazine. Find her @geenarocero on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter   About Megan:  Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074], wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief   Additional Resources: Watch Geena’s TED Talk “Why I Must Come Out [https://www.ted.com/talks/geena_rocero_why_i_must_come_out?language=en]”   Read Geena’s book - Horse Barbie: A Memoir  [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884]   Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community [https://www.patreon.com/megandevine] for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform].    Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074] and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708] Books and resources may contain affiliate links. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Have you ever put on a face mask, expecting it to solve all your mental health problems?  That seems…unrealistic, but it’s what self-care marketing tells us: get your self-care right, and all your difficulties will evaporate. This week on It’s OK, Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, author of Real Self-Care [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593489727], breaks down what “self-care” actually means when we’re living in a complex, capitalistic world. It’s an exploration of grief, burnout, and exhaustion, and what it takes to care for yourself inside systems that repeatedly ignore their part in your suffering.    In this episode we cover:  * Why self-care doesn’t work * How hope is different than optimism * Does looking for your own answers mean you have to do things alone? * Accepting help as a bid for connection * How Dr. Lakshmin’s definition of boundaries can help you practice real self-care   We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.   Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here [http://refugeingrief.com/wyg].   Follow the show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/], Twitter [https://twitter.com/refugeingrief], and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief] @refugeingrief   Related episodes: Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya Chemaly [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/rage-becomes-her-and-by-her-108030869/]   Living with Chronic Illness: A Conversation for Everyone with a Body with Sarah Ramey [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/living-with-chronic-illness-a-conversation-115630505/]. About our guest: Dr. Pooja Lakshmin MD is a psychiatrist, a clinical assistant professor at George Washington University School of Medicine, and the founder and CEO of Gemma [https://www.gemmawomen.com/], the women’s mental health community centering impact and equity. She has spent thousands of hours taking care of women struggling with burnout, despair, depression, and anxiety in her clinical practice. Her debut non-fiction book, Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness (Crystals, Cleanses, and Bubble Baths Not Included) [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593489727], is available in e-book, hardcover, and audiobook narrated by Pooja.   About Megan:  Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074], wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief   Additional Resources: Read “Hope is Not a Thing to Have – It’s a Skill to Practice” at Oprah Daily [https://www.oprahdaily.com/entertainment/books/a41283632/pooja-laskhmin-roe-v-wade/]   Read “How Society Has Turned Its Back on Mothers” at The New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/parenting/working-mom-burnout-coronavirus.html]   Read “Saying ‘No’ Is Self-Care for Parents” at The New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/parenting/burnout-boundaries.html]   Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community [https://www.patreon.com/megandevine] for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform].    Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074] and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708] Books and resources may contain affiliate links. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it?  It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds.    In this episode we cover:    * Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws?  * Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”?  * How the boomer generation is using their experience and wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time) * How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present.  We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.   Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here [http://refugeingrief.com/wyg]. For more on activism in the face of impossible odds listen to these related episodes:  Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/women-life-freedom-grief-and-power-103663616/] Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-117639477/] About our guest: Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books include The End of Nature [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780812976083], about climate change [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change], and Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out? [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781250256850], about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity.  Bill is a contributing writer to The New Yorker (read his latest piece here [https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/to-save-the-planet-should-we-really-be-moving-slower]), and founder of Third Act [https://thirdact.org/], which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change.   About Megan:  Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074], wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief Additional Resources: Terry Tempest Williams’ book Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780679740247], and her recent NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/opinion/great-salt-lake-drought-utah-climate-change.html?unlocked_article_code=P_-7GJczsfGXCYmiOOKwziPh0Ez9UZOhqSycJcaGsGiLmQTVnEmc5xRm-8XWxp1j3DGC2COTAT6wCMR8cvjUjVuCZU9DVMMPxMZlRFFTMwvVF8N1kcLgW-PLlaDr-ReKfczUxRKOLM-kOWOoBRoPZFHOWnVZzk4nRVuTAVkoP-AZ4RGLiXu0zq0hnY92-IbF9c86Ozdzozb4i8WotR_Q9uBvAPF6ehDc8StqvoH7XVFAYUSfprpo3hwwPX9hnlLN1lna_7LUQLnULnJ0cpgMY6r10xVYPgd4w_diznpNTJZaaEFHzCpuypb5fTGyHKZOk7ucI3gaAZLfQnymcZ7-jm7bwgIS5cC7ONVrCkre4WPddkbXuQ&smid=tw-share] (gift link, no subscription needed)   Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism at her website [https://www.joannamacy.net/], or her books, including Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780865717756], World as Lover, World as Self [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781946764843], and Widening Circles: A Memoir [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781897408018]   Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community [https://www.patreon.com/megandevine] for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform].    Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074] and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708] Books and resources may contain affiliate links.   Follow our show on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/], Twitter [https://twitter.com/refugeingrief], and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief] @refugeingrief For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at refugeingrief.com [https://refugeingrief.com/] See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Can grief be an opportunity for growth and self-understanding? The answer, of course, is yes: but it’s a bit more complex than that. This week, author, philanthropist, activist Rachel Cargle on survival optimism, the resilience narrative, and why questioning the stories you tell yourself - with curiosity and kindness - is a powerful path of healing.    In this episode we cover:    * How was grief modeled for you growing up, and how does that affect later grief? * Can your memory of childhood grief be… entirely wrong? (or at least, inaccurate) * Can you do grief wrong? * The difference between curiosity and judgment * Is it ok to feel relieved when a sick person dies?  * Rachel’s new book, A Renaissance of Our Own [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593134740]   We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.   Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here [http://refugeingrief.com/wyg]. Related episodes: Gabor Mate on why we celebrate trauma, aka: resilience [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/is-there-grief-in-politics-with-114731370/]  Illustrator [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/over-and-over-again-illustrator-aubrey-102744533/]Aubrey Hirsch [aubrey.hirsch@gmail.com] on the power of storytelling as an act of healing About our guest: Rachel Cargle is a writer, entrepreneur and philanthropic innovator. Her new memoir, A Renaissance of Our Own [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593134740], centers the reimagining of womanhood, solidarity and self. In 2018 she founded The Loveland Foundation, Inc. [https://thelovelandfoundation.org/], a non-profit offering free therapy to Black women and girls.    She’s also the founder of Elizabeth’s Bookshop & Writing Centre [https://www.elizabethsofakronshop.com/], a literacy space designed to amplify, celebrate and honor the work of writers who are often excluded from traditional cultural, social and academic canons. For more on her many endeavors, visit rachelcargle.com [https://rachelcargle.com/].   About Megan:  Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074], wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief   Additional Resources: Read Rachel’s new book - A Renaissance of Our Own [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593134740]   The Great Unlearn [https://www.patreon.com/m/thegreatunlearn] – a self-paced, donation-based learning community   The Great Unlearn for Young Learners [https://www.tguforyounglearners.com/] – an online learning space for young folks launching in 2022   Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community [https://www.patreon.com/megandevine] for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform].    Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074] and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708] See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

What would a meaningful life look like for you? According to Death Doula Alua Arthur, conversations about death can be the most enriching conversations we have.    It’s not about accepting death, or avoiding grief - it’s about building a relationship with yourself and others that doesn’t hold anything back. Why should you listen? Yeah, because you’re mortal and one day you'll die, but more importantly: because one day, hopefully in the far off future, you’ll look back at this life you’ve lived. Conversations about death can make that life so much better.    Alua’s new book is Briefly Perfectly Human: Making an Authentic Life by Getting Real about the End [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780063240032]. For more info visit aluaarthur.com [http://aluaarthur.com/]   In this episode we cover:    * What’s a Death Doula?  * Does being honest about death give you access to joy? * Should you tell someone that they’re dying, or does that remove hope?  * Why living each day like it’s your last is unrealistic (and what to do instead)  * The linking of death and grief: Death and grief are married, but grief definitely dates around.    We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.   Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here [http://refugeingrief.com/wyg]. Related episodes: Trauma Surgeon Dr. Red Hoffman on the surprisingly broad umbrella of palliative care [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/palliative-care-is-for-everyone-with-101154473/]   The co-founders of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care on supporting burnout & stress among healthcare professionals & caregivers [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/do-i-stay-or-do-i-92571734/] About our guest: Alua Arthur is a Death Doula, recovering attorney, and the founder of Going with Grace [http://goingwithgrace.com/], a Death Doula training and end-of-life planning organization that exists to support people as they answer the question, “What must I do to be at peace with myself so that I may live presently and die gracefully?” She’s been featured in the LA Times, Vogue, Refinery29, The Doctors, and alongside Chris Hemsworth on the docuseries, Limitless. Find her at aluaarthur.com [http://aluaarthur.com/] and on Instagram at @going_with_grace [https://www.instagram.com/going_with_grace/]    About Megan:  Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074], wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief   Additional Resources: Read Alua’s new book - Briefly Perfectly Human [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780063240032]   Going with Grace [http://goingwithgrace.com/]   Megan mentions this book -  Pronoia Is the Antidote for Paranoia [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781556438189]   Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community [https://www.patreon.com/megandevine] for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform].    Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074] and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed [https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708] See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.