
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Podcast by Harry Stebbings
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC) interviews the world's greatest venture capitalists with prior guests including Sequoia's Doug Leone and Benchmark's Bill Gurley. Once per week, 20VC Host, Harry Stebbings is also joined by one of the great founders of our time with prior founder episodes from Spotify's Daniel Ek, Linkedin's Reid Hoffman, and Snowflake's Frank Slootman. If you would like to see more of The Twenty Minute VC (20VC), head to www.20vc.com for more information on the podcast, show notes, resources and more.
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Varun Mohan is the CEO and Co-Founder of Windsurf, the leading AI-native IDE, which has over a million users and generates over 50% of all committed software across thousands of companies. Prior to Windsurf, Varun graduated with a Master’s in Computer Science from MIT and led a team at Nuro focused on large-scale deep learning infrastructure for autonomous vehicles. Today's Agenda: [00:00] The $3B Startup That Only Happend on the Third Pivot [05:12] When to Give Up vs When To Stick at It [08:55] “Never Fall in Love With Your Idea” — Here’s Why [10:38] What Founders Get Wrong About Being First [13:52] What Would Windsurf Do If They Had Unlimited Resources [16:45] Will Lovable and Bolt Ultimately Compete with Windsurf and Cursor [19:25] The Product Development Rule That Breaks All Startup Rules [21:20] The Cold Truth About Moats in the AI Era [24:30] The OpenAI Question You’re Not Supposed to Ask [32:50] Who Actually Counts as an Engineer in 5 Years? [35:10] Will Product Managers Even Exist in 2030? [37:30] Async Agents Are Coming—But Most Will Fail.. Why? [41:00] The Truth About Agent-Only Workflows [44:20] The One Area of Engineering That AI Will Eat Next [46:12] What Cursor Got Right (That Windsurf Didn’t) [47:55] Are LLM APIs Already Commoditized? [50:30] Why Anthropic Won’t Win by Default [52:10] Should Model Companies Own the App Layer? [58:05] What Does Varun Want to be Remembered For?

Kyle Norton is the Chief Revenue Officer at Owner.com, where he scaled revenue from $2M to $40M ARR in under 3 years while selling to one of the toughest markets: SMB restaurants. Before Owner, Kyle led sales at Shopify, where he helped architect one of the most operationally elite GTM orgs in SaaS. Agenda: 00:00 – From Shopify to $40M ARR at Owner.com 06:40 – Why Founders Who Skip Sales Get Burned 11:50 – 90% Inbound, Then 70% Outbound — And Why Neither Is Enough 17:40 – How to Use AI in Sales to Massively Increase Outbound 24:30 – BDRs Don’t Get Paid for Demos. Only Closed Revenue. 30:50 – The 3-Part Sales Scorecard That Replaced My Gut 36:20 – I Posted a Job on LinkedIn and Got 1,200 Applicants 42:15 – I Fired a Rep on Day 11. Here’s Why. 49:40 – We Don’t Do Pipeline Reviews. The Secret... 55:00 – The One Call Close Script That Wins in 99% of Cases 1:03:10 – Why YouTube Is Our Underrated Growth Weapon 1:14:30 – Sales Is a Personal Development Exercise Disguised as a Career 1:20:45 – The Night We Closed Until 1AM and Hit the Number

Agenda: 00:00 – Why “Fund Returners” Are a Myth in Late-Stage VC 05:02 – Builder.ai Implodes: $500M Gone & Fraud Allegations Begin 11:40 – The Dirty Truth About Late-Stage Venture Math 15:57 – The Hinge IPO: Who Won, Who Lost, and Why It’s a Game Changer 23:03 – The Chime Bombshell: Late-Stage VCs Forced to Crystallize Huge Losses 27:14 – Why YC Is Both Chanel and Walmart—and Has Officially Won 33:41 – Seed Is Easy. Series A Is Brutal. Here's Why 39:50 – The Silent Killer: How Dilution Is Screwing VCs Without Them Realizing 46:04 – OpenAI’s $6B Jony Ive Deal: Genius or Delusion? 50:47 – Does OpenAI Win the Hardware War 1:02:09 – Duolingo, Klarna, and the Truth About AI Layoffs 1:13:10 – Only 20% of Unicorns Are Real. The Other 80%? Zombies 1:15:44 – Why 2021 Had an IPO Every Day — And Why That Won’t Return Soon 1:18:00 – Quickfire: AGI Dates, Half-Trillionaires, and Trump Tax Moves

Airwallex is the most insane story in startups: 1. The best angel investment ever: The angel that turned $1M into $1BN. 2. One of the world's best VCs pulled a term sheet and lost $1BN. 3. The company turned down a $1.2BN offer from Stripe. 4. The company scaled to $1BN in transaction volume in 9 months. 5. The company has never not grown 100% in a year. Jack Zhang is the Co-Founder and CEO of Airwallex, one of the world’s fastest-growing global payments and financial infrastructure companies. Since founding the company in 2015, Jack has scaled Airwallex to over $130B in annual payment volume, $720M in ARR, and a global team of 1,800+ employees. Under his leadership, Airwallex has raised over $1.2BN from investors including Square Peg, Lone Pine, and Tencent. In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 00:00 – The Best Angel Investment Ever: From $1M to $1BN 06:55 – From Lemon Factory and Petrol Station to Billionaire: The Early Days 15:20 – $5M side hustle while working full-time: how Jack did it 24:45 – Failing Three Times Before Product-Market-Fit 31:00 – The Term Sheet That Got Pulled and Lost Matrix $1BN 34:40 – Why We Rejected Stripe’s $1.2BN Acquisition Offer 49:05 – 0-$1B transaction volume in 9 months: How Shein Saved Airwallex 1:03:40 – We F****** Up Scaling internationally... & Burnt $200M/year 1:08:00 – When COVID hit, they lost 50% of revenue overnight 1:11:45 – Why Jack raised at 6x revenue and is now buying back stock himself 1:15:00 – The truth about secondaries and how much is “enough” 1:18:00 – The hiring mistakes that almost broke the culture 1:20:15 – Why Jack is Taking Out a Line of Debt for $70M

Luke Harries is Head of Growth at ElevenLabs, where he leads marketing, product, engineering, and developer experience. ElevenLabs has raised $281M with the latest round pricing the company at $3.3B valuation. Previously, Luke held roles at PostHog and Microsoft, and is also an angel investor supporting startups like Lovable and Runna. In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 00:00 – The $3.3B Growth Engine Behind ElevenLabs 04:55 – Why Luke Said “No” to Investing in ElevenLabs (and Why He Was Wrong) 15:40 – How ElevenLabs Makes a Horizontal Product Strategy Work 20:15 – How to Build Sharded Growth Teams That Actually Scale 26:30 – The 7-Part Launch Playbook That Gets 700K+ Views Per Product 33:00 – The Truth About CAC, Payback, and Performance Marketing in AI 39:05 – SEO Isn’t Dead: The Mini-Tool Strategy You Should Steal 44:10 – Kill Your Inbound SDRs—The Case for Voice AI in Sales 48:40 – Why You Don’t Need PMs and the Rise of Growth-Led Product Teams
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