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---------------------------------------- The one where Charlotte and Gertie eat candy in bed. LISTEN TO THE EPISODE Join Merav and Batya as they delve into all things All-of-A-Kind Family. This episode features a deep dive into candy, cookies and crackers, and the origin of the cracker barrel as a center for gaming! We’ll also talk about what the heck a “snap” cookie is. Hear the episode [https://www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/episode-004-who-cares-if-its-bedtime.mp3] OUR CHAPTER IN SUMMARY When Mama’s younger brother comes for dinner, the girls face the happy dilemma: how will we spend the extra penny from Uncle Hyman? Charlotte and Gertie decide to spend theirs on candy. They visit the local candy shop and the grocery store, and then make a mischievous plan to eat their goodies in bed under Mama’s watchful eye. Will they be caught? Read the chapter [https://pjlibrary.org/books/all-of-a-kind-family/if9] NO TIME TO LISTEN? We understand that podcasts aren’t always going to be a good fit for your schedule, but you don’t have to miss out. Catch up on all the latest episodes from the All-of-a-Kind Podcast starting with this full transcript of the episode one. Check out the index page for season one to get all of your favorite episodes and transcript in one place. Read the episode [https://www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/episode-004-who-cares-if-its-bedtime.pdf] SHOW NOTES: Heidi Rabinowitz, a light skinned woman with dark curly hair wearing a patterned v-neck shirt and a necklace, shown in a head-and-shoulders portrait against an indistinct blue and white background. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Heidi.jpeg?resize=134%2C134&ssl=1] WELCOME TO OUR GUEST, HEIDI RABINOWITZ FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE PODCAST [https://jewishbooks.blogspot.com/search/label/podcast] Heidi has been the Director of the Feldman Children’s Library at Congregation B’nai Israel of Boca Raton, Florida [https://www.cbiboca.org/education/fcl/] since 1998. She has served as a member and chair of the Sydney Taylor Book Award [https://jewishlibraries.org/sydney_taylor_book_award/] committee and a member of the Sydney Taylor Manuscript Award [https://jewishlibraries.org/sydney-taylor-manuscript-award/] committee. Heidi was a founding member of the PJ Library [https://pjlibrary.org/home] book selection committee. She has reviewed Jewish literature for School Library Journal [https://www.slj.com/], the Association of Jewish Libraries Newsletter [https://jewishlibraries.org/ajl-news-and-reviews/], and the Jewish Book Council [https://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/books]. Heidi co-created (with Marie Cloutier [https://substack.com/@mariecloutier]) the Jewish Book Carnival [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish_book_carnival_hq/], a monthly roundup of Jewish literary links from across the blogosphere, and also co-created (with Susan Kusel [https://www.susankusel.com/]) the Facebook discussion group, Jewish Kidlit Mavens [https://www.facebook.com/groups/JewishKidlitMavens/] and the mock award blog, The Sydney Taylor Shmooze [https://www.sydneytaylorshmooze.com/]. For further information, please see Heidi’s LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/heidirabinowitz/] profile. A classic cracker barrel with a chess and checker board built into the lid. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/cracker-barrel-2.jpg?resize=134%2C101&ssl=1] THE HISTORY OF THE CRACKER BARREL, NOT THE CRACKER BARREL Cracker barrels were for holding dry goods that did not yet have a plastic sleeve or cellophane package to keep them neatly contained. Often the cracker barrel held the broken ends of packages that had split. People found they liked the mixed crackers and a phenomenon was born. Cracker barrels also often had game boards on their tops to encourage people to linger in the shop and attract more customers. The restaurant and store chain is named for the phenomenon. As it fell out of fashion, so too did a lot of other of-the-time storage items. There’s a song about it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ9U4Cbb4wg] in The Music Man [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_Man]. A black and white photo of a glass fronted display case full of boxes of penny candy. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/display-cases-with-penny-candy.jpg?resize=134%2C75&ssl=1] LET’S TALK ABOUT THE CANDY There’s some great histories [https://www.candyfavorites.com/shop/history-american-candy.php] written about candy from this period that we looked at while doing our research. It was fun trying to figure out what Charlotte and Gertie were eating and what it was likely to be made from, and what it actually looked like. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/cherry-hearts.jpg?resize=134%2C141&ssl=1] REJECTED CANDY TYPES Since Charlotte and Gertie want to play games with their food, they disqualify a bunch of the existing and otherwise delightful candies, including: “Indian” bars [https://www.sweetsandgeeks.com/collections/1910s-candy/products/peanut-chews-3oz-bag], which are similar to our modern peanut chews, licorice drops [https://www.sweetsandgeeks.com/products/claeys-natural-old-fashion-hard-candies-6oz-bag-licorice], red cherry hearts [https://butterwithasideofbread.com/cherry-jelly-hearts-candy/], “chicken corn” [https://truetreatscandy.com/product/candy-corn/#:~:text=Chicken%20Feed%20or%20Chicken%20Scratch,feat%20for%20the%20time%20period] which appears to be candy corn, multicolor jellybeans [https://blog.gale.com/celebrate-national-jelly-bean-day-with-the-yummiest-19th-century-confections/], lemon drops [https://www.sweetsandgeeks.com/collections/1910s-candy/products/claeys-natural-old-fashion-hard-candies-6oz-bag-lemon-drops], caramels [https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/95294/chewy-caramel/], and chocolate pennies [https://www.ohnuts.com/buy.cfm/milk-chocolate-copper-pennies?pre=34181&gclid=CjwKCAjwo9unBhBTEiwAipC117ulRV3hNx61wUd3gJscYG1RMUo_lDAX0dy-vN4FnPs90opo4Gb8lRoCSQcQAvD_BwE]. A large number of brown candy pieces in the form of "chocolate babies" a popular candy from the 1890s on with a taste similar to candy corn. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Cheekies_02.jpg?resize=134%2C89&ssl=1] THE WINNING CANDY TYPE? CHOCOLATE BABIES We talked a little bit on the show about children and eating anthropomorphized sweets, including animals, and candy that looks like people. Chocolate babies have, as you might imagine, a somewhat racist history, and they have changed shape several times as well as undergoing a few name changes. Chocolate babies apparently have a consistency similar to candy corn, which suits Charlotte and Gertie’s purposes. Go ahead and take a look at this little article [http://collectingcandy.com/wordpress/?p=6384] that has some nice comments about the Betsy-Tacy books [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy-Tacy], as well as All-of-a-Kind Family. A large number of kippot or skullcaps called yarmulkes in Yiddish, a small hat-like garment for ritual headcovering. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/kippot.jpg?resize=134%2C101&ssl=1] WHAT’S A SKULLCAP? Mr. Basch is depicted with a long beard, and as speaking Yiddish. He’s one of the first non-family members to be depicted as explicitly Jewish and displaying outwards signs of that Jewishness, including covering his head with a kippah [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippah] or yarmulke, translated here as a skullcap. A small hat-like head-covering that covers the top of the head, usually to the width of three fingers or wider. Some traditions shape it into a squarer hat shape with sides. A storefront with a Yiddish sign out front advertising the store's wares. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/yiddish-signs.jpg?resize=134%2C106&ssl=1] WHAT’S YIDDISH? Yiddish is a long-standing Jewish language [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish] that is largely spoken by Jews of Ashkenazi descent. It makes use of Hebrew, German, Polish, and a number of other languages. Dialects of Yiddish shift depending on where they’re sourced, and while formal versions of the language have been codified, sub-dialects continue to flourish. Snap cookies with their perfectly round shape and slightly crenelated tops. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/snaps.png?resize=134%2C101&ssl=1] THE SNAP COOKIE Today we’re familiar with ginger snaps [https://midelcookies.com/products/organic-ginger-snaps/], but there used to be a bunch of different “snap” cookies in more common circulation, including lemon snaps [https://midelcookies.com/products/simple-mi-delicious-lemon-snaps/] and chocolate snaps [https://midelcookies.com/products/simple-mi-delicious-chocolate-snaps/]. These are still available today including in pie-crust [https://midelcookies.com/products/chocolate-snap-pie-crust/] format. There are also vanilla snaps [https://midelcookies.com/products/vanilla-snaps/], and you can make brandy snaps [https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/brandy-snaps] at home, but they are definitely a different sort of treat from the others. A comfortable looking turned down bed with a pitcher visible on the dresser above and to the right. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/6-kC8N-_czXy4-e1762110018318-252x300.jpg?resize=134%2C160&ssl=1] MAMA’S PSYCHOLOGY OF SLEEP Instead of the sort of staggered bedtimes we might expect for girls ranging in age from 4 to 12, Mama institutes one bedtime for all of her girls, possibly knowing that having different girls going to bed in one room will be disruptive to the others, so everyone is bedded down early, leaving Mama with that most important factor, time to herself and time with her husband. This gives Mama time to knit, catch up on her reading and hatch more games for her growing girls. A dreamy abstract landscape, ready for a dream house. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/6-A3DyYLGO0kQ.jpg?resize=134%2C89&ssl=1] IMAGINARY HOUSES AND THE CONSTRUCT OF MEMORY Ella and Sarah are playing a game where they furnish an imaginary house, keeping the idea of the room in their heads as a diversion. This allows them to play together, but it’s also probably sharpening their memories, similar to the system [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_memory#Principles] devised by Giordano Bruno [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno], which allows the superimposition of memories onto an imagined place. A red handkerchief tied in a bundle with the two ends sticking into the air. Could it be full of contraband penny candy and snap cookies from the cracker barrel? [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/438eb2dc-0f7b2f87-bystudio220600104.jpg?resize=134%2C135&ssl=1] PAPA’S RED HANDKERCHIEF Perhaps just a cute detail, or maybe Sydney Taylor alluding to the red diaper baby [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_diaper_baby] era of social communism in the 1950s. Taylor came up through socialist youth groups and certainly would have been conversant with the politics of the day. Alternately, it could be a red herring (or handkerchief) and this might have been true to life, and could have been based on a cloth lot Papa had in the shop and cut up for handkerchiefs. A colorful stack of books. [https://i0.wp.com/www.all-of-a-kind-podcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/6-lUaaKCUANVI-200x133-1.jpg?resize=134%2C89&ssl=1] OTHER BOOKS WE MENTIONED We read and re-read the All-of-a-Kind Family books in parallel with many other books, including Bread and Jam for Frances by Russell Hoban [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Hoban], Gregory the Terrible Eater [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ4j2iDbrhI] by Mitchell Sharmat, Raggedy Ann and Andy and the Camel with the Winkled Knees [https://raggedyann.fandom.com/wiki/Raggedy_Ann_and_Andy_and_the_Camel_with_the_Wrinkled_Knees] by Johnny Gruelle, The Family with Two Front Doors [https://annaciddor.com/books-by-anna-ciddor/the-family-with-two-front-doors/] by Anna Ciddor, A Summer Tale of Four Sisters, Two Rabbits and a Very Interesting Boy [https://www.jeannebirdsall.com/penderwicks-series] by Jeanne Birdsall, The Secret Country [https://reactormag.com/stories-and-secrets-pamela-deans-the-secret-country/] books by Pamela Dean, and I Capture the Castle [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Capture_the_Castle] by Dodie Smith
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