We Talk to Stephen

We Talk to Kristal & Matt

What happens after you get sober… and your mind doesn’t? In this episode, Suzanne and Sarah sit down with Kristal and Matt to talk about when you’ve got some sober time under your belt, but your obsessive nature starts popping up in new ways, like a relentless game of whac-a-mole. From control and perfectionism to new flavors of ego and fear, the conversation explores how character defects sometimes don’t disappear—they just change. And more importantly, what we can actually do about it. Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford A candid, low-key conversation about what happens after the last substance: obsession, loneliness, and the surprising spiritual work of recovery. Support the 4th D Club through the Freedom Circle to keep a safe, drug- and alcohol-free space. Learn more: The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org [http://4thdmissoula.org]

We Talk to Dawn

In this episode of Having Had A Spiritual Awakening, Suzanne and Sarah sit down with Dawn. Dawn speaks about the deep gratitude for what she has survived, a gratitude that has come from her lived experience, and how her past has shaped her ability to show up for others today. The episode becomes a meditation on survival itself—how a spiritual awakening can come from understanding that recovery is about transformation, not perfection.  The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org [http://4thdmissoula.org] Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford

We Talk to Irish

Do all addicts in recovery become nerds? Or were we, in our using days, simply suppressing our supernatural curiosity and next-level research skills? Suzanne and Sarah sit down with their guest, Irish, to explore these questions and more. Tune in to hear Irish casually drop one life-changing metaphor after another — and to discover what might actually be hiding beneath the surface of addiction and recovery. The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org [http://4thdmissoula.org] Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford

We Talk to Gaaby

Suzanne and Sarah do their best to keep up with Gaaby, who has 29 years of recovery in Al-Anon. Gaaby shares what life was like when her solution was trying to control everything and everyone around her, how she found her way into recovery, and how—after nearly three decades of working a program—she sticks around to deepen her practice of acceptance because, as she says, “reality is where the power lives.” The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org [http://4thdmissoula.org] Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford

We Talk to Stephen

In this episode of Having Had a Spiritual Awakening, we talk with Stephen Ferguson, Executive Director of Crosswinds Recovery, about what constitutes “real” trauma and why comparing levels of trauma can hinder healing. Stephen shares insights from his work and experience in recovery. Stephen, Suzanne and Sarah consider whether spiritual awakenings are inherently turbulent, why transformation often feels disorienting, and the paradox of surrender; how giving up control can sometimes become another attempt to hold onto it.    The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org [http://4thdmissoula.org] Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford