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Learn how to diagnose and redesign team structure so your groups consistently outperform collections of individual talent.Most leaders coach the individual when the real problem is the group. Dr Colin Fisher, Associate Professor at UCL School of Management and author of The Collective Edge, argues that composition, goals, tasks, and norms determine team performance far more than the talent of the people in the room. If your meetings have fifteen people, your reward systems are zero-sum, and your team members are spread across too many projects, you already have a structural problem that no amount of individual coaching will fix. Colin draws on his background as a professional jazz musician and decades of organisational research to show leaders where the real leverage lies.This episode covers meeting size, the cognitive limits of multi-team membership, healthy versus destructive competition, and why the Hogwarts sorting hat is a warning for any leader who sorts people into boxes and leaves them there. CHAPTERS 00:00:00: Why too many people in meetings is your first structural problem 00:10:30: The four forces that determine whether teams succeed or fail 00:15:00: The cognitive cost of being on too many teams 00:21:30: Healthy competition versus the kind that quietly destroys culture 00:28:30: Why the sorting hat is the real villain in Harry Potter 00:33:00: Balancing conformity and dissent: the constant leadership act 00:37:00: Mike Macdonald, Seattle Seahawks, and defence-led team leadershipR ESOURCES MENTIONED The Collective Edge by Colin M. Fisher: Colin's book on the science of group dynamics, published by Simon & Schuster colinmfisher.com: Colin's website, linking to his free Substack newsletter and book details IDEO: Design firm used as a research case study for well-structured project teams Richard Hackman: Foundational researcher in group and team dynamics, referenced by Colin Teresa Amabile: Harvard social psychologist whose work on creativity influenced Colin's research direction GUEST BIOGRAPHY Dr Colin Fisher is Associate Professor of Organisations and Innovation at UCL School of Management. A former professional jazz trumpet player, he completed his PhD at Harvard working with Teresa Amabile and Richard Hackman, and has spent his career studying the conditions under which groups thrive. His book The Collective Edge: Unlocking the Secret Power of Groups is published by Simon & Schuster. Thank you for watching/ listening. #ad Editing my podcast used to be the most time-consuming part of my week. I now use Descript to edit my audio and video by simply deleting words from a transcript. It allows me to create my YouTube Shorts and TikTok clips in a fraction of the time. If you want to try it for your own projects, you can sign up here: https://get.descript.com/LevelUp Using this link costs you nothing extra, but the small commission I receive helps support the work I do on my podcast and articles. Paid plans start at around £12 / $16 per month (billed annually) for the Hobbyist tier. Music, jingles, and images - attribution. Podcast Background Track: https://pixabay.com/users/poorartistt-45918667/Guitar Jingle: https://pixabay.com/music/introoutro-guitar-intro-ident-151972/Images: https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/ & https://www.perplexity.ai/ Disclaimer. LevelUp and the podcast host do not endorse, verify, or take responsibility for any products, services, views, or claims presented by guests during podcast episodes. Any opinions or statements made by podcast guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of LevelUp or its representatives. © 2026 LevelUp.T his episode is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/
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