Staircase to Nowhere: A Ministry and Culture Podcast

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BONUS: We’re Pro-Parsonage

In this bonus episode of Staircase to Nowhere, the hosts talk about parsonages, church-owned housing, and living where you minister. Drawing from personal experience, they explore the benefits and challenges of church-provided housing and ask whether churches should still be investing in homes today. staircasepod@gmail.com

Can Churches Help Solve the Housing Crisis?

In this episode of Staircase to Nowhere, the hosts discuss church buildings, affordable housing, and the housing crisis—asking whether churches should use their land to help meet community housing needs. The conversation explores zoning laws, gentrification, sacred space, and the risks and responsibilities of churches building or hosting affordable housing.  staircasepod@gmail.com Video: Can Churches End the Housing Crisis? (YIGBY) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZLblsAzGA]

2025 WRAPPED

It’s our 2025 WRAPPED episode! We look back on the year with top personal ministry moments, favorite books, and the podcasts/creators we spent the most time with. Then we zoom out to bigger ministry + culture trends we noticed (Bible engagement, Gen Z in church, pastor/worship influencer culture), a few major cultural flashpoints from the year, and we finish with goals and predictions for 2026. We would love to hear from you! staircasepod@gmail.com Books mentioned: The Wood Between the Worlds [https://www.amazon.com/Wood-Between-Worlds-Poetic-Theology/dp/151400562X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.adVPN5QtZ7enhfeR8kgqoBCAp1f9TbJ1d5avQff2WIFnVPEq0S4d0lVXVVdHeOKVliJpQQLymtjyceATPCwNab5iNLi3PUISt4koCgc7r8jD3OoH4l-cDVgiBDi3LM7NcQWxaPtSk_V46VyFKDhX_MUXKSCXiU4ax0S20FBtTJpIr5qDwpsZ7uemXPYvoRZ8wTvtsOMpPOKlWtJDlee8eay5f_ioIU-L5DODKCzBljY.QXR0wbzSZyRSGx-z7lq3d-ozc1u3w13SwIuYc_DRceA&qid=1768270762&sr=8-1] The Grapes of Wrath [https://www.amazon.com/Grapes-Wrath-John-Steinbeck/dp/0143039431/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cdtvkLVinNlrJEDTTcTHml2ud3F218mYrY9FSMmOaywnnOg9dcR1FIeV-SnW78xmOsaPDfU7ZnsDk23ymTW4fGiAdlQU3tXE6T581mOCryPESpLZVssMRZSUo7-eZZOCLdUp9tEt3zR-mwFYhmELK-SncfMi86praaX2jmSqC1TtJGw26Lz9s6WjQhG64hwRLsIUJqaY3ye4Omg13Bb0cUEjwGqcaQ8Gx4Kl2tLjG3M.AZaAIYAowMepg8XM8baRcttJqVEQbyv6GU4jxk7RHvY&qid=1768270783&sr=8-2] White Flight [https://www.amazon.com/White-Flight-Atlanta-Conservatism-Politics/dp/0691133867/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2VzXl0jyjNwZsP1V9Ov_k26sxOEMeVjC9SKAUbglF1c_G3Evf-Ux3nBzJqUR6mC3Jc_bTAs-ZAa-YGW2N4rDJ_rzGi-R1bAbD1RMWRtMkawcb1jWFqHlfPKfPgMy8QV0aCMkdrC0e5VEl0bIrkdDenK9H_PIbOsNwWynvEdhLyG3nCwnVvyvAC3JP7NjZRGe5XUXKPQu3PWox8KQGXvqH0dzu2GxNB_lSg2L395rnr0.B92UDfx8mPbu2clNWT8pCFncM0BxozBFOQUBKRcr_GY&qid=1768270808&sr=8-1] Leadership and Self-Deception [https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Self-Deception-Fourth-Transforming-Relationships/dp/1523006560/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bVAEusWrEa2SZzaD4qpR2v6RfUO5v-velA8NLO6d-0qVbtCl5w5EjxeV9QnUh72mB20Zp0oiycvGp7WkU0CR_BiMCGXfc1sj1LD8qEjlkZggN5vm7h8be3J7ZyrJkNWuOO1rS4RYGO4L_l13_-7ltigEFWjCvauNPMJpJKmHnYPaRuuyDjJzFlFfkZuouS4k4V0_x8Jfp1xmmQeA__WjyuOQq92b2azUkr1A7Va3S4w.N9YZ0Jgt_LkUmlhMkfDPhesPd04U7ED4-Dsg1svfVtE&qid=1768270831&sr=8-1] Why We’re Polarized [https://www.amazon.com/Why-Were-Polarized-Ezra-Klein/dp/1476700362/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tB9tkpX5qveO4WTeblbNfRYGoyOV4f1gffbms7HnCCq7Pvm3Va4pENLlibWDnBsCPI-laJaoZmtyoCKaWPLF3XTHBGPTRqsenma7rOt2sGeOGbXQAv2cQGphrLB_B_2umVZ_pv-r2yFL7w5hq0O7h29OFBuPqNCYrMpuEB50doc.SwUrQTOcN-8mDavJiO3gY6dDQfeI_-8ykph8Q4NCYs4&qid=1768270849&sr=8-1] Abundance [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1668023482/ref=mes-dp?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=Vfu65&content-id=amzn1.sym.476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_p=476b1b7d-c787-4147-8a3c-fdef209103a1&pf_rd_r=RT5V047RYYB24FFNX65B&pd_rd_wg=kYQY5&pd_rd_r=001d86a9-20bb-4a1c-96a3-47d90caf6469] Podcasts mentioned: Working It Out with Mike Birbiglia [https://open.spotify.com/show/2ux2xJbEpqls09oSD1LUHI?si=af42bc7a42d44593] Theology in the Raw (feat: Nijay Gupta) [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0oteJvFKBAOi6kiGIEV74N?si=0967638da2c4416d] The Resilient Pastor Podcast [https://open.spotify.com/show/5QIr3nu68zlLbw7sp1DFNg?si=b9526aa30490414f] The Ezra Klein Show (NYT) [https://open.spotify.com/show/3oB5noYIwEB2dMAREj2F7S?si=e0eed4690a6f4c4d] Johnny Harris [https://www.youtube.com/johnnyharris] James Humphrey [https://www.youtube.com/@SpeeedCo]

Is Christian Nationalism a Bad Thing?

“Take our country back” is a rallying cry among conservative Christians as Christian nationalism gains popularity. Noah’s roommate Michael returns to the show to discuss from history and the New Testament why building a theocracy is not the point of Jesus’ Kingdom which is not of this world. Doug Wilson interview referenced [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0pg6JJgERc07VuJ8vfTIhp?si=3f4f0b35a31f4c45] Book referenced: Political Worship by Bernd Wannenwetsch [https://www.amazon.com/Political-Worship-Oxford-Studies-Theological/dp/019956812X] EMAIL US: staircasepod@gmail.com